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MIT Heavy Metal 101: Music and Culture (2022) - Shared screen with speaker view
Colin Brumley
16:24
Hi Joe!
Colin Brumley
16:29
sounds good, looks even better
Rex Buffchest
16:42
Crotch Forward!
Symmetry (they/them)
16:46
Joe is too cool
Meaghan T'ao
17:27
heyhey
Viktor Simjanoski
17:34
hi Joe
Symmetry (they/them)
17:52
the highlight of my january every year, for sure
Meaghan T'ao
18:25
oh absolutely
Meaghan T'ao
18:35
are we doing the rec board this year too, joe?
Meaghan T'ao
19:07
👌
Akshay Kothakonda
20:09
Hey Joe, pumped to join this again!
Filipa Duarte
21:32
Hi guys! My first time here, excited for this lessons!
Meaghan T'ao
21:41
welcome, Filipa!
Filipa Duarte
22:25
Thank you!
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
22:29
no
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
22:40
what a world
Michael Marquez-Thompson
22:43
Mike here, last min business trip has me in Dallas. Live in Denver
Sebastian Castro
22:46
hi all -- I worked at MIT last year and ran into this course. While I am not there anymore, I'm still in MA and happy to come back for my 2nd year!
Greg Lowney
22:59
Hi! I'm in Washington State, and it's my first time, but it was strongly recommended by a friend and a relative.
Frank Liu
23:05
what's up everyone! I'm Frank & this is my second year in this seminar series. I live in Baltimore so hmu if you're nearby :)
Symmetry (they/them)
23:14
hello from brighton, MA (not very far at all, sorry) and this is my 4th year coming to Heavy Metal 101
Symmetry (they/them)
23:21
wait no, 5th
Paul Shain
23:25
Howdy from Houston, TX.
Eeshan Tripathii
23:31
Hey! I’m a junior at MIT joint from campus, never really heard heavy metal before
Allison Christiansen
23:33
Hi all, I’m an Admin Assistant at MIT. This is my first IAP course. I’m also an 80s DJ in Salem MA and was going to host our first ever All Metal 80s Night on New Year’s but had to cancel due to Covid 🙁
Bradley Turner
23:48
Hey all, Brad here, a PhD student at MIT living in Cambridge. Into symphonic metal mostly :)
Akemi Nishimura
24:05
Hello, I am a Phd student in Japan. Currently I am colleting data targeted at Metalheads from US, UK, Finland, Indonesia and Mexico. If you are so, please participate mine here : https://survey.worthmine.com
joe martis
24:14
I know Joe from around the Open Learning office - will support anything he does!
Rex Buffchest
24:42
Hi all, @ Watertown, MA. Second or third time around. This is where our doom based Judas Priest tribute group began with the slogan, crotch forward.
Meaghan T'ao
24:55
Designer based in Toronto, ON. Used to study in Boston and that's how I found this course ;)
Symmetry (they/them)
25:13
@Rex Buffchest spoilers! ;)
Timur Garipov
25:16
Hi everyone!My name is Timur. I am a PhD student in Computer Science, joining from MIT campus. I am originally from Russia. This is my first time in the class! Excited to be here!
Liz Surette
25:18
If 2017 was your first year, then I've been around since you started
Akshay Kothakonda
25:22
Akshay here, been coming to this class for a few years. Grad student at MIT, live in Somerville. While I'm mostly into thrash metal, I've been getting more into tech death of late.
Akshay Kothakonda
25:31
Oh hey Liz!
Mishael Quraishi
26:00
Hi!! New here - I’m a freshman at MIT :)
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
26:27
yes
Rex Buffchest
26:32
Hard to keep up with chat, currently running chainsaws.
Rex Buffchest
26:40
👌
Filipa Duarte
27:11
I'm from Portugal 😁
Emily Fan
27:26
1st time here
Emily Fan
27:37
what brings people back every year?
Ekanem Okeke
27:42
hi !! this is my first year both at MIT and in this class, and i’m joining from detroit, mi
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
27:47
I'm from Seattle, and am head of the Trevor Stricker fanclub here
Ben Thomson
27:47
Hey everyone! I’m a mechanical engineering graduate student at MIT and I’ve always been a fan of hard rock/heavy metal and I’m excited to learn more!
Meaghan T'ao
27:53
full disclosure I'm here for Joan's lecture this year lol
Meaghan T'ao
28:01
and Joe is p cool too
Emily Fan
29:05
do we need to define rock, blues, acid rock, psychedelia as well?
Sean Manton
29:18
Hi, I'm a software engineer by profession and lifelong musician. I have attended one individual session of this course in the past.
Meaghan T'ao
30:30
that's a whole can of worms there @emily fan
Meaghan T'ao
30:42
when you get to metal-adjacent genres and try to draw boundaries :D
Sean Manton
30:47
defining genres is always a can of worms
Rex Buffchest
30:53
Was that good ol’ Stevie Wolf
Sean Manton
31:05
I like this definition of heavy metal way better than the one used by metal-archives
Meaghan T'ao
31:49
metal-archives, the ultimate genre gatekeeper
Meaghan T'ao
32:01
lol
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
33:35
sound, resonance
Fabio Castro
33:47
The shape of the sound waves
Bradley Turner
34:01
Tone
Aristeidis Karalis
34:03
harmonic content of a sound
Mishael Quraishi
34:04
Relates to tone
Ryan Deame
34:08
the sound the tree makes when it falls in the woods and no one is around to hear it
Meaghan T'ao
34:17
😂
Sean Manton
34:24
@ryan lol
Symmetry (they/them)
34:34
closed captioning does not recognize that “timbre” is a real word. it keeps writing it as “tambor” lol
Sean Manton
36:27
hmm
Sean Manton
36:28
too slow
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
36:29
\m/
Sebastian Castro
37:02
dat snarl
Rex Buffchest
37:02
Grandma?
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
37:04
arch enemy? it's v compressed over zoom ha
Akshay Kothakonda
37:04
Is crappy CGI metal?
Frank Liu
37:37
lmao @ rex
Meaghan T'ao
37:45
it's *power* metal
joe martis
39:09
Oh hell yeah!
Ben Thomson
39:12
Motorcycles B)
Emily Fan
39:41
screaming
Rex Buffchest
40:02
Feel it! Feel it!
Sebastian Castro
40:03
The axe
Sean Manton
40:12
so laid back
Joe Diaz
40:13
Forward Rex
joe martis
40:13
I remember discovering this when I was about 10 - never the same
Allison Christiansen
40:16
Looks that Kill!
Michael Marquez-Thompson
40:19
I have this on LP
Liz Surette
40:19
God leaning against his hog not giving a fuck
Fabio Castro
40:23
Looks like “50 shades of grey” costume
Ben Thomson
40:23
Studded leather
Joe Diaz
40:31
How's the sound?
Meaghan T'ao
40:40
passable
Meaghan T'ao
40:45
it's zoom, we understand
Joe Diaz
40:52
Thanks Meaghan! haha
Symmetry (they/them)
40:52
the video keeps freezing. not your fault tho!
Joe Diaz
40:59
Sorry everyone
Greg Lowney
40:59
Starts with motorcycles, both setting the mood and a nod to the early days. Screeching guitars with lots of feedback, then starts layering in drums and vocals. Extremely fast temp. The vocal styling is actually pretty laid back :-)
Fabio Castro
41:04
Here the video is flowing well
Aristeidis Karalis
41:27
Even through zoom, he still sings better than you Joe, sorry.
Ryan Deame
41:31
Metal is so fast it makes the video look slow.
Symmetry (they/them)
41:50
Joe i’ve never heard you sing…now i wanna know
Eric Chon
41:54
@trevor!
Eric Chon
42:35
@Liz!
Meaghan T'ao
42:48
let's get that metal 101 after-party karaoke
Rex Buffchest
42:52
Crotch forward
Eric Chon
42:54
@christopher Floyd - made it!
Trevor Stricker
43:10
Eric!
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
43:46
@eric hell yeah \m/
Trevor Stricker
43:56
Chris Floyd...? Hey man!
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
44:04
hi @trev
Allison Christiansen
44:17
Tom of Finland
Ryan Deame
44:18
Eat me alive
Trevor Stricker
44:27
Worth noting they didn't start out leather & studs... they sort of ended up there.
Meaghan T'ao
44:40
metal is just very specific cosplay
Eric Chon
45:11
We hate sleeves
Symmetry (they/them)
45:21
not related to the costumes, but was the band name Judas Priest itself intended to provoke? by this i mean because it is pairing the name of someone who betrayed Jesus with the name of a clergy member
Rex Buffchest
45:21
And aromatic
Trevor Stricker
45:24
That's definitely it Eric :P
Trevor Stricker
45:58
Old Gray Whistle Test lol
Meaghan T'ao
46:09
inb4 contrarian anti-Christianity as an aesthetic
Emily Fan
46:28
slower tempo
Emily Fan
46:37
I can only see this dude'sface
Symmetry (they/them)
46:43
i’m sorry if i said something wrong
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
46:47
'judas priest' is a mild 'swear' in place of 'jesus christ'
Emily Fan
46:51
more casual clothing
Viktor Simjanoski
47:04
2nd example is more classic rock in style, reminds a bit of Led Zeppelin and other 60s/70s era rock bands
Fabio Castro
47:05
Hippies
Trevor Stricker
47:05
They would not be out of place at Woodstock...
Emily Fan
47:08
lots of guitar stilll
Bradley Turner
47:08
very 1970s rock/psychadelic look - bell bottoms, kind of tye-dye designs
Sebastian Castro
47:13
this is 100% psychedelic wardrobe
Rex Buffchest
47:17
Mountain? Deep purple?
Akshay Kothakonda
47:23
Were they trying to emulate Grateful Dead?
Ryan Deame
47:38
Joe the ZJ
Allison Christiansen
48:13
Everyone looked like that in the 70s (if they weren’t into disco)
Symmetry (they/them)
48:26
i’m sorry if i upset anyone
Greg Lowney
48:50
Helps fit in with the venue and audience's expectation of the time.
Symmetry (they/them)
48:51
i feel like i said something wrong
Trevor Stricker
49:04
Is that true Chris? I'd thought it came from a Dylan song... Ballad of Frankie Lee and Judas Priest
Michael Marquez-Thompson
49:04
JT!!!!
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
49:07
you didn't. all is well.
Rex Buffchest
49:16
That’s my job :)
Bradley Turner
49:25
not that i noticed :)
Fabio Castro
49:37
Answer = No chance
Bradley Turner
49:39
definitely!
Meaghan T'ao
49:39
would be a little hypocritical if he didn't bring sexy back
Michael Marquez-Thompson
49:41
Yes he is that talented according to my wife
Ekanem Okeke
49:43
i would say no- his whole brand is “bringing sexy back”
Eric Chon
49:44
No
Ryan Deame
49:44
he needs corpse paint to be more successful
Akemi Nishimura
49:44
I don't think so.
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
49:45
I say no, but also that white-trash look is p hot these days
Sebastian Castro
49:45
Yes. Pete Davidson and Jack Harlow taking it back for all of us
Trevor Stricker
49:48
JT is talented... but he was an actor before he became a singer
Allison Christiansen
49:49
No JT rests on his looks as much as music
Bradley Turner
49:50
haha @meaghan
Aristeidis Karalis
49:59
The guy on the right made it due to looks.
Emily Fan
50:08
idk? probably not?
Greg Lowney
50:09
Could be, but perhaps his audience would be a little different demographic.
Rex Buffchest
50:10
Does anyone know what the accommodator is?
Eric Chon
50:16
JT is talented! I actually enjoy some of his music but he started out in a boy band, main thing is being pretty
Mishael Quraishi
50:16
not pete and jack
Mishael Quraishi
50:31
I dont think Justin would be as successful, despite his talent
Ekanem Okeke
50:36
but their demographics are different from it’s
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
50:40
kerry
Ekanem Okeke
50:40
*jt’s
Rex Buffchest
50:41
Aka “pointy goatee”
Michael Marquez-Thompson
50:50
Slayer
Trevor Stricker
50:56
He's a big Kloe Kardashian fan
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
51:00
he would be less successful if he was a hottie
Aristeidis Karalis
51:03
I thought he was Santa's elf.
Fabio Castro
51:10
Answer = Sure
Eric Chon
51:19
Controversial opinion: he wouldn't be as successful if it weren't for Jeff Hanneman :)
Akshay Kothakonda
51:40
@Eric with the real hot take. Also, agreed.
Michael Marquez-Thompson
51:48
Great question. I agree
Trevor Stricker
51:57
Is that true? Metal became "big" before the YouTube age. When Slayer came up there weren't even videos.
Viktor Simjanoski
52:01
it's all about consistency, if he looked (and dressed) like JT, might be very confusing
Aristeidis Karalis
52:06
So the point is that Jeff Hanneman WAS handsome?
Hell Hammer
52:21
show Kerry w/ eyeliner, etc.
Meaghan T'ao
52:24
…seitan.
Eric Chon
52:27
lol
Greg Lowney
52:30
But "conventional beauty" is among the aspects of iconography of pop music, just as tattoos are for metal.
Eric Chon
52:32
Ghaal
Filipa Duarte
52:42
corpse paiinnttt
Akshay Kothakonda
52:52
what's similar is they're both gay
Michael Marquez-Thompson
53:24
Dark arts
Meaghan T'ao
53:41
metal is gay culture
Sebastian Castro
53:42
GWAR!
Ekanem Okeke
53:57
it’s definitely leaning cosplay almost like video game characters
Rex Buffchest
54:03
Portal, from Australia
Eric Chon
54:04
lol
Greg Lowney
54:05
It's a bit of up-upping each other.
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
54:07
haha yes
Trevor Stricker
54:09
Flanders?
Eric Chon
54:13
Okily Dokily
Allison Christiansen
54:14
Yes the Flanders
Trevor Stricker
54:22
Oh I think Eric's right
Eric Chon
54:53
White Wine Spritzer!
Emily Fan
55:11
tempo is slower than previous ones
Meaghan T'ao
55:12
pink is the most controversial color
Meaghan T'ao
55:15
they're super metal
KRIS Angel
55:22
Bubble gum pink
Emily Fan
55:24
wow very aggressive
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
55:43
almost more a screamo sound
Paul Shain
55:50
Black sweaters. With sleeves!
Emily Fan
55:52
they are dressed like gentlemen almost lol
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
56:05
defs love the 2x2 matrix idea of Sleeves as a delineator
KRIS Angel
56:07
Replaced beer with white wine
Frank Liu
56:14
"pink is the color of ripping death"
Greg Lowney
56:25
It's great when artists intentionally break from the conventions of their genre, the expectations of their audience, actively demonstrating that the art can stand alone and shouldn't be confused with the trappings.
Meaghan T'ao
56:59
pink is the color of defeated deafheaven haters 😢
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
57:02
metal loves serifs
Emily Fan
57:06
blocky?
Hell Hammer
57:06
sharp angles
Symmetry (they/them)
57:08
lots of sharp angles, not smooth
Akshay Kothakonda
57:09
pointy
Eric Chon
57:09
I always found "metal" fashion as incredibly tribal - you're a fan of a genre of music that is very much misunderstood and finding people that share the same interests is really great!
Ben Thomson
57:11
pointy
Fabio Castro
57:12
Pointy letters
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
57:13
'gothic' font rules supreme
Mo
57:15
Gothic
Aristeidis Karalis
57:18
I only see IRON MAIDEN
Eric Chon
57:20
But it also makes it very "same-y"
Ven Thangaraj
57:23
legible
Emily Fan
57:23
Red
Trevor Stricker
57:34
I feel the same way as Aristeidis
Allison Christiansen
57:34
umlaut
Eric Chon
57:44
Aggressive iconography
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
57:59
themes are frequently medieval, fantasy, etc
Meaghan T'ao
57:59
peak nerd shit (TM)
Viktor Simjanoski
58:03
look like made out of metal
Greg Lowney
58:05
Lots of metallic coloration, fitting in with the name and costumes.
KRIS Angel
58:06
Serifs
Akshay Kothakonda
58:08
you can guess the genre of a band from their logo sometimes
Symmetry (they/them)
58:14
ümläüts
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
58:21
grandma?
Meaghan T'ao
58:22
ohyohoho here we go
Emily Fan
58:27
no
Michael Marquez-Thompson
58:30
Mily sirus
Trevor Stricker
58:30
Kloe Kardashian
Eric Chon
58:31
no
Allison Christiansen
58:32
A KArdashian
Ekanem Okeke
58:35
kendall jenner
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
58:36
i guess it's a kardashian but unsure
Ekanem Okeke
58:37
?
Filipa Duarte
58:38
🤦‍♀️
Aristeidis Karalis
58:41
Take that shirt off! :-P
Trevor Stricker
58:43
Kendal... my bad heh
Akshay Kothakonda
58:51
lol Aristeidis
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
58:58
lol
Eric Chon
58:59
haha yes
Akshay Kothakonda
59:00
gary holt
Emily Fan
59:02
you?
Trevor Stricker
59:03
Gary Holt of Slayer
Aristeidis Karalis
59:04
Her baby brother
Frank Liu
59:07
lmao
Eric Chon
59:11
also Exodus, Trevor, c'mon
Filipa Duarte
59:19
Celebreties supporting each other
Liz Surette
59:22
Yeah, Trevor
Trevor Stricker
59:31
My bad dog. Ever since Kirk left them I've moved on!
Akshay Kothakonda
59:54
@Trevor I hope Kirk is doing well in his new band
Eric Chon
59:58
I can't unpack that comment - we need a sit down chat next time I'm in MA lol
Eric Chon
01:00:31
Super gatekeep-y
Greg Lowney
01:00:35
Yep, more gatekeeping.
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
01:01:12
true in all communities, tbf
Greg Lowney
01:01:19
It's a thing in almost all communities, unfortunately.
Meaghan T'ao
01:01:21
hear hear
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
01:01:27
we need to be At The Gates, welcoming all
Eric Chon
01:01:32
d'oh
Aristeidis Karalis
01:01:37
I disagree. We keep the doors open, just very few come in!
Sean Manton (they/them)
01:01:42
if authenticity is really that valuable, how come there's so many cannibalism lyrics and so few convicted cannibals?
Akshay Kothakonda
01:01:55
lol Sean
Trevor Stricker
01:01:56
zing!
Eric Chon
01:01:56
hah
Meaghan T'ao
01:01:57
fr
Eric Chon
01:02:38
that kind of attitude is the worst
Sean Manton (they/them)
01:02:47
I guess euronymous and varg are the only real metallers
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
01:03:28
these aren't metallica songs :o
Eric Chon
01:04:01
(not enough wah wah in that solo)
Symmetry (they/them)
01:04:16
i hope the gatekeepers were embarrassed when they saw her video
Trevor Stricker
01:04:17
I feel the same way about their instrumentals...
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
01:04:23
ha
Sean Manton (they/them)
01:04:23
fuck gatekeepers, trve metal pvrists so annoying
Eric Chon
01:04:34
oh boy
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
01:04:42
wow that cover rules. never seen it
Rex Buffchest
01:04:52
Cannibal corpse!
Ekanem Okeke
01:04:57
i feel like that honestly just prevents people from joining i it - like you can never fit in bc you don’t fit the aesthetic but we digress
Trevor Stricker
01:04:58
British Steel is a bit of an outlier... it was really political when it came out.
Meaghan T'ao
01:05:40
@ekanem it also keeps the genre stale. joe is going to cover this but the true gems of metal is pulling in really weird genre influences
Eric Chon
01:05:47
@ekanem - there are many of us "stealth" metal fans that don't look the part
Eric Chon
01:06:40
RIP Warrel Dane
Greg Lowney
01:07:02
There are even a lot of people who like (some of) the music but don't even think of it as metal.
Allison Christiansen
01:07:30
Hiernoymus Bosch art
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
01:08:10
lol
Eric Chon
01:08:45
Reminds me of Exodus's Force of Habit
Mitch Kaplan
01:08:52
what an unusual metal cover (the Metal Church thing)
Ryan Deame
01:09:00
Really good glam metal
Eric Chon
01:09:03
Ed Repka!
Sebastian Castro
01:09:11
Hangar 18 4ever stuck in my head now
Meaghan T'ao
01:09:22
mediumdeth
Fabio Castro
01:09:29
I was in this show!
Eric Chon
01:09:38
@fabio - awesome!
Frank Liu
01:09:42
that's dope Fabio
Trevor Stricker
01:09:44
Really? That's rad!
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
01:10:00
iron maiden immediately reminds me of being 14 haha
Mishael Quraishi
01:10:23
@fabio that is so cool
Akemi Nishimura
01:10:28
Joe, It is time to start working here in Japan. Thank you so much for amazing lecture! See you tomorrow.Everyone! Please participate my heavy metal research if you didn't it. Click the link: https://survey.worthmine.com/Thank you for your participation in advance :)
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
01:10:31
...is metal the only genre that makes gratuitous use of mascots?!
Sean Manton (they/them)
01:10:50
Anyone seen the metal is just the wiggles for adults standup bit?
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
01:10:51
that's kinda weird huh
Eric Chon
01:10:52
Milo re: The Descendents ;)
Sebastian Castro
01:10:57
the iron maiden mascot is even a meme format : https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/skeleton-rollercoaster-high-five
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
01:10:58
oh Milo, yeah!
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
01:11:21
blink182 had the bunnyrabbit too
Rex Buffchest
01:11:31
Punk: masked intruder
Eric Chon
01:11:40
Most of them have read The Lord of the Rings
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
01:11:43
hahaha
Meaghan T'ao
01:12:01
eric got it in one
Allison Christiansen
01:12:01
Wine, music, dance,
Sean Manton (they/them)
01:12:20
slain and the risen god
Eric Chon
01:12:28
I mean, that's Motorhead's entire Oevure
Ekanem Okeke
01:12:35
i mean could you count the edm producers as mascots?
Ryan Deame
01:12:38
Heavisaurus
Rex Buffchest
01:12:41
Yeah! Thanks joe!
Allison Christiansen
01:12:50
Feasting and killing people in frenzy
Trevor Stricker
01:12:50
Ryan that Finnish metal thing for kids?
Akshay Kothakonda
01:12:58
I feel Master of Puppets is more of an anti-drug song, so not sure if it fit the Dionysian theme
Frank Liu
01:13:20
I've never watched a video for MW lmao
Eric Chon
01:13:28
I didn't even know MW had videos!
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
01:13:38
is the real video still frames, or just weird buffering here?
Rex Buffchest
01:13:39
Or sleeves
Emily Fan
01:13:41
very PG
Fabio Castro
01:13:50
Hahahaa, my nephews love Hevissaurus!
Aristeidis Karalis
01:13:55
Is that Benedict Cumberbatch?
Ryan Deame
01:13:57
Yea, Heavisaurus is finnish dino mascot metal for kids
Greg Lowney
01:14:34
You can see that even when they're celebrating hedonism, it still involves rebellion (chaos).
Eric Chon
01:15:27
me
Akshay Kothakonda
01:15:28
yess
Michael Marquez-Thompson
01:15:34
yers
Rex Buffchest
01:15:35
Yeah buddy
Symmetry (they/them)
01:16:18
too slow
Trevor Stricker
01:16:29
Looking forward to the live transcript...
Eric Chon
01:16:33
dat Chris Barnes voice
Akshay Kothakonda
01:16:37
If you ever feel useless, know that cannibal corpse albums have the parental advisory sticker
Eric Chon
01:16:49
@akshay LOL
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
01:16:50
hahaha
Hell Hammer
01:16:51
me want cookie!
Sean Manton (they/them)
01:16:56
who needs a neck anyway
Aristeidis Karalis
01:17:02
I have no idea. My dog understood though.
Eric Chon
01:17:08
That's Corpsegrinder!
Austin Roth
01:17:08
Buy AAPL, it's retracing it's lows
Eric Chon
01:17:14
different singer
Eric Chon
01:17:21
"vocalist"
Rex Buffchest
01:17:28
A batmitzvah… weird way to read the tora…
Hell Hammer
01:17:35
orig singer, Chris Barnes (now Six Feet Under)
Mishael Quraishi
01:17:55
welllll
Frank Liu
01:17:57
"rot"
Ekanem Okeke
01:17:57
one more time pls
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
01:17:58
that is comical
Allison Christiansen
01:17:59
Kind of
Mitch Kaplan
01:18:00
only "neck"
Sean Manton (they/them)
01:18:01
ah I always forget they had a vocalist before corpsegrinder
Filipa Duarte
01:18:05
yes please
Meaghan T'ao
01:18:06
lmao mitch
Aristeidis Karalis
01:18:08
Next time, you should just type random stuff, won't make a difference.
Symmetry (they/them)
01:18:12
sometimes it sounds like the vocalist combines 4 words into 1 syllable
Greg Lowney
01:18:40
It's really no different than listening to a song in a different language. The fact that it's supposed to be English is really irrelevant :-)
Meaghan T'ao
01:18:45
this is what happens when you try to make lyrics make grammatical sense
Trevor Stricker
01:18:46
Don't hate!
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
01:18:46
it's cool that it's frantic. like how guitar solos blend notes together, the vocals blend words together
Emily Fan
01:18:48
I can't tell at all what people are saying at all
Mitch Kaplan
01:18:51
only "dead in a grave", "left to rot" and "neck"
Aristeidis Karalis
01:18:56
It helps them to burp.
Eric Chon
01:19:10
It never bothers me, honestly
Eric Chon
01:19:18
it's just another instrument
Ryan Deame
01:19:27
You got me to understand Cannibal Corpse. Youre a magician.
Sebastian Castro
01:19:49
I've always believed that this is intentional, because metal's strong suit has never really been lyrics
Eric Chon
01:20:14
I think that's a bit unfair. Pop music lyrics are no better.
Frank Liu
01:20:16
pov you have not left the house for 8 days
Meaghan T'ao
01:20:18
wheres the goat section
Symmetry (they/them)
01:20:32
can you email the full size image to us afterwards please?
Akshay Kothakonda
01:20:34
Lol @Meaghan
Eric Chon
01:20:52
Ah yes. Angel Queef.
Sebastian Castro
01:20:57
Wiccan Guidance Counselor! hahahah
Aristeidis Karalis
01:21:05
You should give us homework to come up with band names for each category.
Trevor Stricker
01:21:14
No more impossible than an umlaut over an n.
Hell Hammer
01:21:24
you mean the superscript ellipsis ?
Meaghan T'ao
01:21:31
all the visible ones are dudes. /thread
Rex Buffchest
01:21:43
Sunn O)))) ?
Sean Manton (they/them)
01:21:56
music industry has a gender imbalance problem in general
Austin Roth
01:22:01
Baby Metal
Allison Christiansen
01:22:57
VIXEN
Eric Chon
01:23:05
Mallika from Abnormality
Fabio Castro
01:23:07
Nervosa, quite big in Brazil, all girls
Allison Christiansen
01:23:13
Lita Ford
Emily Fan
01:23:14
Jinjer
Eric Chon
01:23:14
(was a Boston local)
Mitch Kaplan
01:23:14
Kittie
Hell Hammer
01:23:18
Kittie
Sebastian Castro
01:23:23
JINJER
Hell Hammer
01:23:24
Once Human
Fabio Castro
01:23:26
Epica
Filipa Duarte
01:23:27
Jinjer, Within Temptation
KRIS Angel
01:23:29
Vile creature
Hell Hammer
01:23:30
Abnormality
Hell Hammer
01:23:32
Nervosa
Sebastian Castro
01:23:35
Obscure Sphinx
Hell Hammer
01:23:35
Crypta
Meaghan T'ao
01:23:45
lovebites, band-maid, fuki, Mary's blood, aldious, fate gear etc
Ryan Deame
01:23:46
Epica, Unleash the Archers
Frank Liu
01:23:46
Feminazgûl. queer lotr black metal
Eric Chon
01:23:48
(Angela Gossow is no longer in Arch Enemy as the vocalist)
Meaghan T'ao
01:23:57
if its just Japanese women in metal we're talking about
Eric Chon
01:24:01
Oh Mallika is in Castrator also
Allison Christiansen
01:24:04
Every vocalist for Nightwish
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
01:24:06
....are women in metal typically more conventionally attractive than their male counterparts? (this sample set suggests yes?)
Meaghan T'ao
01:24:10
feminazgul is wonderful
Ryan Deame
01:24:17
Iwrestledabearonce
Sean Manton (they/them)
01:24:25
vulvatron
Meaghan T'ao
01:24:38
are women in general expected to be more presentable than their male counterparts?
Eric Chon
01:24:48
Liz Buckingham from Electric Wizard
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
01:24:54
why is the internet hungry for the goth gf, but nobody wants the goth bf :D
Rex Buffchest
01:25:04
Otep
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
01:25:08
hmmm yeah strong point @meaghan
Allison Christiansen
01:25:09
Women are always expected to be more attra
Allison Christiansen
01:25:17
attractive
Meaghan T'ao
01:25:24
everyone go support joan she's great
Bradley Turner
01:25:32
A couple more: Hungarian band called Obsidian Shell, and the band Aghora
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
01:25:34
motherhood in metal? hell yes, wow
Hell Hammer
01:25:52
first |m?
Mitch Kaplan
01:25:54
They do want the goth bf though. Think Ville.
Hell Hammer
01:26:04
first devil horns
Symmetry (they/them)
01:26:09
they’re more mathcore than metal, but Rolo Tomassi
Meaghan T'ao
01:26:12
which ville mitch lmao
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
01:26:13
that was 25~ years ago, @mitch! :o
Mitch Kaplan
01:26:20
Valo
Hell Hammer
01:26:24
before Sabbath
Mitch Kaplan
01:27:10
Obviously I know the gf meme and just have the one example.
Hell Hammer
01:27:11
trademarked by Gene Simmons LOL
Hell Hammer
01:27:26
maloich
Akshay Kothakonda
01:28:03
oh necrobutcher
Eric Chon
01:28:14
Thanks everyone, gotta go grab the kid!
Mitch Kaplan
01:28:17
great story!
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
01:28:38
hilarious fact. love it.
Rex Buffchest
01:29:00
Yep, putting the chainsaws down and the baby to bed… I’ll keep listening though…
Hell Hammer
01:30:29
...and sooo many more
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
01:30:47
y'all probably know this, but Metal is the most-listened-to genre on Spotify. Partly this is ascribed to there being so much of it!
Greg Lowney
01:30:48
Lots of people love categorizing and making up categories, but in real life things don't fall neatly into them.
Meaghan T'ao
01:31:05
@christopher that is entirely due to me
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
01:31:09
lololol
Greg Lowney
01:31:25
Not that categories aren't useful, as long as one keeps in mind that they're just general guidelines.
Hell Hammer
01:31:57
...also who's NWOBHM and who's not
Mitch Kaplan
01:32:24
I didn't know it was so popular on Spotify. I wonder if any of my Spotify friends have noticed my metal listening on their feed since the 2021 Metal 101 classes. Got me back into it.
Meaghan T'ao
01:32:25
also the noise, neofolk, psych rock, gothrock/post-punk boundaries
Hell Hammer
01:32:30
...same as all other fandoms (e.g. comicdom, etc.)
Greg Lowney
01:32:37
Every genre of fandom in every media has the same tendency/problem/arguments.
Emily Fan
01:32:49
did we talk about why people are interested in watching stuff so gruesome and stuff
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
01:32:58
part of the theory behind its popularity is that radio typically plays lots of pop etc, so people who are using Spotify are looking for non-commercial music (this was truer initially, of course)
Allison Christiansen
01:33:02
Love 80s Glam Metal! <3
Aristeidis Karalis
01:33:03
@Christopher, that is because metalheads actually care about the music itself, no imagery. In pop music, what matters more is the show, beauty, and other crap.
Hell Hammer
01:33:11
what about, was metal, now hard rock or classic rock? e.g. AC/DC
Aristeidis Karalis
01:33:17
(So the use YouTube is my point)
Meaghan T'ao
01:33:22
@emily a little bit! there's kind of an outsider or non-conformity kind of vibe to a large part of the community
Mitch Kaplan
01:33:23
I distinguish between rock and metal, and all these glam bands and I think those gray area bands are rock.
Hell Hammer
01:34:07
must read in Kerry King's voice LOL
Trevor Stricker
01:34:34
The question of metal or not... what's the point? What sort of insight does it lead to?
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
01:34:38
'crazy lixx' is a hilarious band name
Allison Christiansen
01:34:40
Glam Metal = Yes Metal!
Meaghan T'ao
01:34:47
sometimes it's not useful to draw hard boundaries
Meaghan T'ao
01:34:50
other times, you run metal groups
Fabio Castro
01:34:52
Emily, I personally don’t find it gruesome. I find it powerful and makes me feel full of energy and happy
Sean Manton (they/them)
01:35:00
@Trevor, leads to the ability for people to accuse each other of being posers
Sean Manton (they/them)
01:35:13
which is the real reason to be a music fan
Trevor Stricker
01:35:15
I guess that's my point...?
Hell Hammer
01:35:16
rebellion music in many 3rd world countries
Akshay Kothakonda
01:35:33
I think point of genres is like "if you like this band, you might like this other band"
Fabio Castro
01:35:44
Angra, from Brazil
Akshay Kothakonda
01:35:46
but yeah, people tend to put hard boundaries sometimes
Aristeidis Karalis
01:35:48
Some of us nerds just like categorizations. We still love hard rock!
Meaghan T'ao
01:36:04
ostensibly @akshay, but then you would have to get pretty specific with those microgenres
Sean Manton (they/them)
01:36:16
metal archives is still a great resource, I just think its unfortunate that their gatekeeping actively makes them a less useful resource than they could be
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
01:36:23
metal less popular where it's hotter! interesting
Greg Lowney
01:36:25
@Trevor, it often goes bad places, but such debates CAN lead to people doing more active listening, and thinking about the aspects of what they're hearing -- just like this session is all about.
Hell Hammer
01:36:32
we need metal missions to central africa
Meaghan T'ao
01:36:41
metal archives definitely has a place. I don't begrudge it as an easy answer to the unanswerable question of defining metal boundaries
Aristeidis Karalis
01:36:51
Let's start a new genre, dessert metal
Ekanem Okeke
01:36:51
i’m so surprised there’s no metal in nigeria
Ryan Deame
01:36:55
Mongolian throat singing metal
Aristeidis Karalis
01:36:56
desert hahaha
Meaghan T'ao
01:37:09
don't say the hu don't say the hu
Meaghan T'ao
01:37:27
😂
Mitch Kaplan
01:37:33
now curious about Indian and Madagascarian metal
Akshay Kothakonda
01:37:37
Hu's cover of Sad but True is awesome!
Meaghan T'ao
01:37:44
indian metal is fire
Meaghan T'ao
01:38:10
joe said there's gonna be a board for recs later, i'll post recs and lots of playlists
Sebastian Castro
01:38:16
India has *so* much Metal. Skyharbor is awesome
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
01:38:18
thanks!
Meaghan T'ao
01:38:24
loool
Aristeidis Karalis
01:38:36
PLAY PLAY PLAY!!!!
Hell Hammer
01:38:46
very funny
Symmetry (they/them)
01:38:47
Turbulence (Lebanese prog metal, released an album “Frontal” last year)
Mitch Kaplan
01:38:56
thanks for the recommendations from India!
Akshay Kothakonda
01:39:07
Kryptos from India is awesome!
Filipa Duarte
01:39:15
Oh I know that guy!
Filipa Duarte
01:39:20
So funny
Joe Diaz
01:39:23
Bloodywood too!
Ryan Deame
01:39:28
Maori metal, Aztec metal. Lot of folk metal for different cultures.
Trevor Stricker
01:39:31
TBH this rocks
Greg Lowney
01:39:38
Love it!
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
01:39:41
i love that bedroom guitar tone is now so damned good
Meaghan T'ao
01:39:45
absolute banget
Meaghan T'ao
01:39:48
banger
Trevor Stricker
01:40:05
Preacher has good rhythm, too.
Sean Manton (they/them)
01:40:16
To anyone looking for metal bands from Africa, highly recommend Arka'n. Amazing band with a great range of metal and african folk influences. https://arkanaa.bandcamp.com/album/z-keli
Mo
01:40:20
🔥
Akshay Kothakonda
01:40:28
preacher core?
Meaghan T'ao
01:40:41
preachercore 2022 let's gooo
Sean Manton (they/them)
01:40:47
Judas Priest = preachercore?
Symmetry (they/them)
01:40:52
Project MishraM are a seven-piece Progressive Carnatic fusion outfit based out of Bangalore. MishraM’s sound is characterized by a sharp blend of genres ranging from modern progressive metal, djent, funk, jazz and electronic, centered around the intricacies of Ragas and syncopation rooted in Indian classical music. In Sanskrit, Mishram means ‘Mix’ and also denotes the number ‘Seven’.
Greg Lowney
01:40:56
I can't remember the name of the band that does similar with made-up (but real sounding) Evangelical exhortations.
Ryan Deame
01:40:57
Lot of good Christian metal out there...
Symmetry (they/them)
01:40:58
not entirely metal, but metal elements
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
01:41:33
This first class already has been really inspiring. Thanks to Joe, and everyone in the chat!
Ryan Deame
01:41:33
Really like Christian metalcore
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
01:41:45
i'm a big norma jean fan, @ryan
Meaghan T'ao
01:41:48
ooh wait till you hear Christian black metal
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
01:42:07
I'm going to see Tool tomorrow night. First concert in too long.
Hell Hammer
01:42:11
metal has a unique t-shirt culture, not present with other genres (similar to comic book fans and/or sports team fans)
Meaghan T'ao
01:42:17
😢 the concert
Sebastian Castro
01:42:21
is Danny Carey out of jail? lol
Austin Roth
01:42:35
Nice @Chris
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
01:42:49
his court appearance is Wednesday, haha. hoping he still makes it!? but who knows
Michael Marquez-Thompson
01:42:51
I will be seeing tool also but at the end of the month
Meaghan T'ao
01:43:33
heavy metal book club
Trevor Stricker
01:43:49
Heavy metal book group
Joe Diaz
01:44:10
https://padlet.com/joediaz/mitmetal1012022
Filipa Duarte
01:44:14
I just finished reading a book by Andrew Oneil called the History of Heavy Metal, he is a metalhead comedian
Filipa Duarte
01:44:25
Cool book to read
Sean Manton (they/them)
01:44:26
Does Metal 101 have like a discord or anything we can use to chat or listening parties outside of class?
Symmetry (they/them)
01:45:18
i would totally be down for listening parties
Sean Manton (they/them)
01:46:09
we could also use turntable.fm
Symmetry (they/them)
01:46:22
i LOVE Colin’s lecture
Trevor Stricker
01:46:25
🤘
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
01:46:36
can't wait
Symmetry (they/them)
01:46:41
it’s one of my favorites
Aristeidis Karalis
01:46:42
Colin's lecture is amazing. If you're new, you shouldn't miss it!
Frank Liu
01:46:51
hell yeah
Aristeidis Karalis
01:47:38
For metal shows, do they exclusively use black light?
KRIS Angel
01:47:50
Thanks for hosting joe !
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
01:47:54
it would/could be useful to hear how many of us are musicians.
Mitch Kaplan
01:48:04
As someone who listened a lot in late 80s early 90s and only a little between then and 2020, the best metal I heard since last eyar's metal 101 was probably Sabaton
Symmetry (they/them)
01:48:26
wait 2018 was the first year?
Frank Liu
01:48:44
Thanks Joe! good night :)
Steven Sullivan
01:48:47
Thanks so much, Joe!!
Filipa Duarte
01:48:48
Thank you!!
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
01:48:48
See y'all tomorrow *waves*
Emily Fan
01:48:49
out of curiosity did we talk about why people are interested in watching stuff so gruesome and stuff
Hell Hammer
01:48:49
great job!