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MIT Heavy Metal 101: Feminism and Motherhood with Joan Jocson-Singh - Shared screen with speaker view
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
15:59
brb
Beth-Ann Ryan
16:49
Hi Everyone! I’m in Newark, DE. And on mute because I’m feeding my daughter dinner. 🙂
Ariel Leitao
17:14
Hi everyone! I’m calling in from Dedham (just outside of Boston)
Filipa Duarte
17:16
Hi guyys
Symmetry (they/them)
17:41
answer to today’s question: my album of the year last year was Colors II by Between The Buried And Me. i’m actually wearing their hoodie right now!
Meaghan T'ao
18:25
tribulation - when the gloom becomes sound
Jeremy Swist
18:38
Stormkeep, Wheel, Claymorean, Yoth Iria
Hell Hammer
18:40
posted a bunch of music to the Padlet, scroll down to page 3
Kim Mohareb
18:42
Whitechapel - Kin this album really surprised me and the band is going in this cool proggy direction!
Beth-Ann Ryan
19:03
I enjoyed The Three Tremors - Guardians of the Void and was happy to see them live.
Annmarie Tong
19:19
Spectral Wound
Symmetry (they/them)
19:22
the rest of my top 5 were: 2. Azure - Of Brine And Angel’s Beaks; 3. Acolyte - Entropy; 4. Dreamwell - Modern Grotesque; A Severed Thought - Fauna
Jeremy Swist
19:30
YES, Spectral Wound
Symmetry (they/them)
19:38
whoops, forgot the number 5
Madeline Yang
19:44
I have been listening to Power Trip a lot lately
Symmetry (they/them)
19:46
see above
Serge Rodriguez
19:49
Serge in NYC, I lean more towards Death and Grindcore, but also Spectral Wound!
Hell Hammer
20:14
Wraith (sound similar to Power Trip)
Beth-Ann Ryan
20:22
The new Cirith Ungol - Half Past Human was good too.
Jeremy Swist
20:47
Spectral Wound are popular because they sound exactly like Finnish BM with the added advantage of not being fascists
Meaghan T'ao
20:57
lmaoo
Madeline Yang
21:04
(I love Wraith too!)
Meaghan T'ao
21:06
has is it fash been bumping them
Annmarie Tong
21:12
exactly how I got into them lmao
Symmetry (they/them)
21:25
the rest of my top 20 included (in alphabetical order) albums by Abiotic, Aversed, The Beast of Nod, Erra, Every Time I Die, Leprous, MEER, Nick Johnston, Pupil Slicer, A Scent Like Wolves, Silent Planet, Spiritbox, Trivium, Twelve Foot Ninja, and Walking Across Jupiter
Symmetry (they/them)
21:39
idk how many that actually is lol
Meaghan T'ao
21:42
Annmarie that's cheating
Meaghan T'ao
22:01
don't get your listening material from iif:tm lool
Annmarie Tong
22:28
guilt free listening!
Meaghan T'ao
22:41
;DDDD
Symmetry (they/them)
27:14
i love your tattoos Joan!
Joe Diaz
27:16
Willie Mae Rock Camp: https://www.williemaerockcamp.org
Meaghan T'ao
27:33
the summer of *time panic*
Meaghan T'ao
27:34
what a mood
Joe Diaz
30:16
Please feel free to list all questions here! We'll get to them during the Q&A later in the session.
Dallas
31:08
All the best ideas have people going “no!” about it at the beginning XD
Joe Diaz
31:18
+1 Dallas
Meaghan T'ao
31:41
how many nos did you get before starting this class, joe?
Joe Diaz
32:02
Not many! I was very charming
Joe Diaz
32:14
Also it's free :D
Meaghan T'ao
32:15
Symmetry Alexander
32:24
sorry, my computer crashed!
Joe Diaz
32:31
All good, Sym!
Jeremy Swist
32:48
Sarah is the front woman of Smoulder, a fantastic band!
Clare King
33:00
awesome thanks for the Jeremy Wallach appendix list reference :D :D :D
Hell Hammer
35:04
was the title, "Individual Thought Patterns" intentionally taken from the Death album of the same name?
Jeremy Swist
35:20
I would assume
Meaghan T'ao
35:41
👏
Serge Rodriguez
37:35
yeah that is an excellent point about the social dynamics at shoes, especially if you are not a cis white person.
Serge Rodriguez
37:41
*shows
Meaghan T'ao
38:45
^
Meaghan T'ao
38:57
"how many people here look like me"
Meaghan T'ao
40:57
!!! yes to this entire slide
Serge Rodriguez
42:00
yes to this spotify list!!
Meaghan T'ao
42:10
literally following rn
Meaghan T'ao
42:18
som is legendary
Joe Diaz
42:40
Love it
Joe Diaz
43:04
Please feel free to list all questions here! We'll get to them during the Q&A later in the session.
Joe Diaz
43:18
Also, the playlist will be shared afterwards!
Hell Hammer
45:02
the Doomey Decimal System LOL
Joe Diaz
45:14
+1 Hell Hammer
Meaghan T'ao
45:30
feminism scawwy 😱
Sean Manton (they/them)
46:02
feminazgul's gonna bring about the end of men 😈
Meaghan T'ao
46:22
shoulda invited the feminazgul members
Meaghan T'ao
46:28
i wanna see a collab happen here
Joe Diaz
46:32
Noted for next year
Greg Lowney
46:58
Sorry, have to run for another obligation, but I'll definitely review the rest later. Thank you so much for doing this!
Meaghan T'ao
47:02
or maybe the abmn
Joe Diaz
47:07
Thanks Greg!
Jeremy Swist
53:04
I saw Mortals open for Solstafir and Pallbearer in Chicago several years ago. They put on a good show.
Shana Gass
55:45
Saw Mortals in Baltimore \m/ \m/ also Klein wrote a book on fast fashion
Joe Diaz
56:12
Just in case, "Chuck" (Chuck Schuldiner) of the band Death will be discussed in our history class later this week!
Joe Diaz
56:25
+1 Jeremy, Shana!
Filipa Duarte
56:29
nicee
Meaghan T'ao
57:02
amazing
Hell Hammer
57:03
side story: Chuck came over my house in high school c. 1983
Joe Diaz
57:56
Text coding..... hours
Jeremy Swist
01:03:15
another great all-women extreme metal band is the black metal band Asagraum from the Netherlands
Jeremy Swist
01:03:28
they’re touring the US in a couple weeks
Hell Hammer
01:04:36
also Nervosa (Brazil)
Joe Diaz
01:05:12
Keep any recommendations coming!
Meaghan T'ao
01:05:22
oh yeah, you're a fan of mit metal 101? name 5 classes
Kim Mohareb
01:05:36
Crypta - great new all-female band (brazil/Netherlands I believe)...remind me of Death...really
Joe Diaz
01:05:36
Hahaha Meghan
Hell Hammer
01:05:39
Crypta
Kim Mohareb
01:05:46
yes
Joe Diaz
01:05:51
Ahhh Meaghan*
Joe Diaz
01:05:56
Sorry!
Meaghan T'ao
01:06:09
no worries, it's the trickiest spelling
Meaghan T'ao
01:07:01
personally very partial to ignea
Jeremy Swist
01:07:02
and of course Gallhammer from Japan
Serge Rodriguez
01:07:21
haha, start'em young.
Hell Hammer
01:07:38
the OG Kittie
Daniel Nevarez
01:07:52
There’s been a lot of representation of Global South female musicians in EMM. It’s not surprising from an intersectional perspective. In the case of Latin America, with the history of dictatorships, violence and colonialism, we’ve seen a handful of feminist metal and EMM bands take on those subjects.
Joe Diaz
01:07:53
Love all of this
Jeremy Swist
01:08:15
this reminds me of ancient sources on the Spartans claiming that Spartan women were encouraged to exercise while pregnant in order to toughen their babies
Hell Hammer
01:08:18
my daughter was en utero for Tool back in 2006
Joe Diaz
01:11:30
Bump - Please feel free to list all questions here! We'll get to them during the Q&A later in the session.
Meaghan T'ao
01:11:49
i love that
Meaghan T'ao
01:11:53
the matriarchal lineage
Hell Hammer
01:12:01
have you found any examples of female musicians using negative female-focused words in their music similar to how black, rappers have used the "N-word" to de-weaponize it ?
Hell Hammer
01:12:31
Gene Simmons invented babies
Meaghan T'ao
01:12:35
lingua ignota
Meaghan T'ao
01:12:48
tw for everyone, heavy abuse themes
Madeline Yang
01:12:59
We took our kids to see Slayer’s final tour in a castle in Italy! Best family memories ever!
Dallas
01:13:22
Me as an ethnic person: what lineage? XP(But it’s awesome we’re starting matriarchal lineage)
Joe Diaz
01:13:50
Madeline, coolest parents ever :O
Jeremy Swist
01:15:06
Butchered at Birth...
Symmetry Alexander
01:15:53
the physical anatomical process of pushing a baby out is metal as hell
Daniel Nevarez
01:17:56
It was scheduled for last year, but it was moved because of Covid.
Madeline Yang
01:17:57
We still went to shows when the kids were really young (babysitter), but taking them to shows when they were 8 yrs+ was like a re-entry into the scene
Symmetry Alexander
01:19:04
i love seeing kids at metal shows because i wish i had been introduced to metal as a kid
Joe Diaz
01:19:25
I wish that I had known about this when I was a student - might have changed the direction I went after school
Filipa Duarte
01:19:25
sameee @Symmetry
Joe Diaz
01:19:36
+1 Sym, Filipa
Shana Gass
01:19:44
V cool - Can you export results from the bibliography ?
Joe Diaz
01:20:22
Brownian Motion!
Serge Rodriguez
01:20:29
wow
Hell Hammer
01:20:44
moshing opposite direction in Australia
Joe Diaz
01:20:50
Lol
Joe Diaz
01:21:26
All links will be shared in the email later as well!
Kim Mohareb
01:21:32
http://mattbierbaum.github.io/moshpits.js/
Hell Hammer
01:21:37
Nervosa & Crypta = thrash/death metal
Meaghan T'ao
01:21:43
it's a really good group
Jeremy Swist
01:22:13
according to some biblical scholars the Number of the Beast is actually 616
Joe Diaz
01:22:13
+1 Kim
Jeremy Swist
01:22:17
or something
Hell Hammer
01:22:28
@Jeremy LOL
Serge Rodriguez
01:23:21
this is such an incredible offering
Symmetry Alexander
01:24:04
i mentioned Pupil Slicer earlier because they put out one of my favorite albums of 2020. they are not all-female though, but mixed genders
Symmetry Alexander
01:24:20
very good band tho
Symmetry Alexander
01:24:46
2021**
Joe Diaz
01:24:57
Also dropping this https://womenofextrememusic.tumblr.com/
Symmetry Alexander
01:25:25
also recommend Rolo Tomassi
Hell Hammer
01:26:27
👏
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
01:26:34
I recommend Employed To Serve if you want british female-fronted metal
Filipa Duarte
01:26:36
👏
Symmetry Alexander
01:26:48
+1 for Employed To Serve
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
01:27:10
\m/
Symmetry Alexander
01:27:18
also Dying Wish
Jeremy Swist
01:27:22
I’d add to that list Jamine H. Shadrack, “Black Metal, Trauma, Subjectivity and Sound: Screaming the Abyss”
Serge Rodriguez
01:27:24
I haven't been able to find any recent add, but the journalist Kim Kelly used to put out lists of anti fash bands that featured primarily lgbtq, bipoc, and other marginalized bands.
Jeremy Swist
01:27:35
*Jasmine
Daniel Nevarez
01:27:38
Pluggin a book:
Daniel Nevarez
01:27:41
https://www.pmpress.org/index.php?l=product_detail&p=1200
Shana Gass
01:28:49
Gotcha, it’s a thing of beauty either way
Hell Hammer
01:29:11
Death is not the end...it's just the beginning!
Meaghan T'ao
01:29:42
lingua ignota!
Meaghan T'ao
01:29:56
one of her albums is called all bitches die
Ariel Leitao
01:30:12
In This Moment also
Meaghan T'ao
01:30:15
yup
Huan P
01:30:29
gr8 album @ Meaghan :)
Meaghan T'ao
01:30:54
for sure, her stuff is so haunting
Shana Gass
01:31:04
Well there is that 80s LA band Bitch, female fronted and sm lyrics
Daniel Nevarez
01:31:59
That’s one of the knocks on Sam Dunn. He did all that genealogy of metal but aside from Sepultura, there is no representation of the Global South. Even though metal grew simultaneously in the 1980s.
Serge Rodriguez
01:32:19
divide and dissolve tho not global south?
Symmetry they/them
01:32:27
gonna listen to Nervosa asap! i’ve never heard them before and i’m super excited
Meaghan T'ao
01:32:40
y e s
Kim Mohareb
01:33:08
@Symmetry try Crypta as well - has the former vocalist/bassist of Nervosa
Meaghan T'ao
01:33:47
h a
Sean Manton (they/them)
01:33:52
Q: Have you done any investigation of women who are closeted metalheads? I had a friend who always dressed very mainstream and embarrassedly confessed to me that she was really into arch enemy, etc. but would only really listen to it in private
Hell Hammer
01:33:56
@Symmetry Nervosa was a 3 piece with bassist/vocalist...bassist vocalist left to form Crypts...Nervosa reformed as a 4 piece for their last album...all Nervosa stuff and Crypta (debut album) are awesome!
Hell Hammer
01:34:37
I think there's a lot of men & women closeted metal heads, especially in corp jobs
Daniel Nevarez
01:34:45
Luana, the drummer, also went from Nervosa to Crypta. Hell of a drummer.
K Ness
01:34:53
Sounds like a Madonna-Whore complex
Hell Hammer
01:34:57
@Danies yup!
Meaghan T'ao
01:34:58
^
Meaghan T'ao
01:35:28
i feel like we need to discuss the roller derby-metalhead pipeline
Meaghan T'ao
01:35:29
yeah
Meaghan T'ao
01:35:31
lmaooo
Meaghan T'ao
01:36:32
love that energy
Hell Hammer
01:36:40
same: old=IDK
Hell Hammer
01:37:00
IDC
Joe Diaz
01:37:12
Nu Metal is great! Coming up on Thurs
Hell Hammer
01:37:47
QR code
Huan P
01:37:53
Thanks again for the presentation! Great info all around :)
Meaghan T'ao
01:37:57
qr code patches
Daniel Nevarez
01:38:03
I recommend the work of Susana González on metal and feminism in the Global South and Spain.
Shana Gass
01:38:53
Human subjects might be a good album title
Ariel Leitao
01:39:14
I will sing backup on that track :)
Meaghan T'ao
01:39:34
OH
Meaghan T'ao
01:39:40
oh that physically hurt me
Meaghan T'ao
01:39:44
i need to see that presentation
Jeremy Swist
01:39:46
a battle vest with the RIGHT patches on them
Annmarie Tong
01:39:47
LMAO i feel seen
Jeremy Swist
01:39:48
;)
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
01:40:00
wow, i don't think i've ever heard the term 'battle vest'
Daniel Nevarez
01:40:24
Deena Weinstein has written about battle vests.
Shana Gass
01:40:32
Metal adjacent
Meaghan T'ao
01:40:36
wait till they're teenagers
Hell Hammer
01:40:42
battle vest or kutten
Sean Manton (they/them)
01:40:48
have you tried showing them heavysaurus?
Daniel Nevarez
01:41:07
That you for making this open to the public.
Hell Hammer
01:41:46
thank you! great job!
Annmarie Tong
01:41:48
thank you!
Nancy Galván Aguilar
01:41:52
This has been such an amazing class! Thank you Joan for sharing your wonderful work, and thank you Joe for the open invitation 🙂
Paul Shain
01:41:54
Thanks!
Jeremy Swist
01:41:55
Thanks for this, Joan!
Ariel Leitao
01:42:03
Thank you so much! Great session
Meaghan T'ao
01:42:12
thank you joan ✨
Joan Jocson-Singh
01:42:13
Thanks everyone! I enjoyed this so much!
Filipa Duarte
01:42:17
Thank you guys!
Symmetry they/them
01:42:27
if you want women in metal in a local band (local being boston area, since that’s where this class is based), i really enjoyed Aversed’s album that came out last year!
Shana Gass
01:42:38
Excellent, thanks !!
Serge Rodriguez
01:42:56
This is such a great series, thank you Joan for the session and Joe for running this!
Symmetry they/them
01:43:04
thanks Joan!
Jeremy Swist
01:43:05
is there an event page for the Wacky Jacky lecture?
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
01:43:08
Thanks Joan!
Symmetry they/them
01:43:25
@Jeremy all of the class descriptions and zoom links are on metal.mit.edu
Jeremy Swist
01:43:32
Thanks!
Serge Rodriguez
01:44:22
🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘
Jeremy Swist
01:44:45
is me
Daniel Nevarez
01:46:16
Very excited about the conference.
Jeremy Swist
01:46:17
https://www.brandeis.edu/classics/heavy-metal-and-global-premodernity/index.html
Daniel Nevarez
01:46:49
Cheers, Jeremy.
Symmetry they/them
01:46:50
@Jeremy how much does the conference cost?
Jeremy Swist
01:46:56
it’s free!
Daniel Nevarez
01:47:02
Thank you Joan and Joe.
Symmetry they/them
01:47:07
free?!
Elizabeth Choe
01:47:07
Thank YOU Joe!
Filipa Duarte
01:47:10
Thank you guys!!
Jeremy Swist
01:47:14
freeeeee
Symmetry they/them
01:47:14
thank you so much Joe and Joan!!
KF Flynn
01:47:19
If I'm not sent abroad, I'll be excited to come!
Symmetry they/them
01:47:25
take care of yourselves everyone!
Nancy Galván Aguilar
01:47:25
Thank you!!
Joe Diaz
01:48:18
https://padlet.com/joediaz/mitmetal1012022
Jeremy Swist
01:48:20
Event page for the Metal Premodernity conference: https://www.facebook.com/events/2845777149055105
Joe Diaz
01:48:40
https://bit.ly/mitmetalslack2022
Jeremy Swist
01:48:50
i’ll promote the hell out of that LA conference, Joan
Joe Diaz
01:49:05
https://turntable.fm/61dcda92261cf0001dd87de8
Annmarie Tong
01:49:41
1 min struggling with my mic lmao
Jeremy Swist
01:49:45
i’m all set, thanks again folks!
Serge Rodriguez
01:49:46
no but thanks again! loved this session!
Hell Hammer
01:50:15
I love the concept of Metal Academia
Annmarie Tong
01:50:36
ok yeah I gave up. how receptive were the people you surveyed about talking about being a woman in heavy metal?
Annmarie Tong
01:51:30
i've met a few women at shows who were kind of contemptuous about feminism especially in a metal context
Hell Hammer
01:53:41
you never used the term "me too" I'm assuming that most of your research was before "me too", if yes, any changes to this progression since?
Annmarie Tong
01:53:50
huh super interesting geographical breakdown thanks!
Annmarie Tong
01:54:44
lol I'm in Toronto which has such a high asian percentage (I am as well). I used to make a game of how many other's I'd spot at shows
Daniel Nevarez
01:54:59
I’d like to mention something
Annmarie Tong
01:55:03
averaged 5-10 :)
Hell Hammer
01:57:11
there was an NPR show about that
Serge Rodriguez
01:57:12
this is such incredible history!!
Hell Hammer
01:57:27
...she sounds like Debbie Abono
Joe Diaz
01:58:02
Haven't read yet, but http://www.ipsnews.net/2000/04/women-cuba-maria-gattorno-the-holy-mary-of-heavy-metal/
Hell Hammer
01:58:31
https://theworld.org/programs/radio-ambulante-unscripted/when-havana-was-friki-aids-politics-and-heavy-metal-cuba
Daniel Nevarez
02:04:04
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKe5TMPGTqE
Annmarie Tong
02:04:09
not from me, thank you so much!
Hell Hammer
02:04:27
👏🤘
Serge Rodriguez
02:04:35
thanks again!