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MIT Heavy Metal 101: The GUTS of Metal - Music Theory and Songwriting with Colin Brumley (2022) - Shared screen with speaker view
Vince Lowney
20:27
Greetings from Belize! and hey Dad!
Dallas
20:36
So excited! Gonna take notes! XD
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
20:44
sorry i just love subtitles
Greg Lowney
21:00
Seattle!
Corey Meyer
21:00
Colin! Amy says your hair looks very, very suave
Symmetry (they/them)
21:02
Christopher you beat me to it, i was about to hit “request”
Filipa Duarte
21:10
Portugal hereee
Joe Diaz
21:16
Welcome everyone!
Edward Scarsella
21:21
im an old bandmate of colins!! hello from SF!
Christine Kuta
21:29
Hello from lovely Cambridge, MA
Corey Meyer
21:41
Howdy from Hull, MA
David Brumley
21:46
David and Laura B from Duxbury!
Steven Sullivan
21:48
Thanks for having us yet again, Joe! Love this.
Fabio Castro
21:56
I’m in Cambridge, MA
Ben Bembenek
22:06
Hi Guys, Ben from MArshVegas
Steven Hanford
22:09
Hello from Prescott Valley, Arizona
Sebastian Castro
22:41
Manch Vegas, oh god I had not heard that in a while
Hell Hammer
22:41
New Providence, NJ (home of Overkill)
Symmetry (they/them)
23:08
Colin rules
Corey Meyer
24:04
Joe rules, thank you!!
Jessica Yang
24:09
Clap clap clap
Dallas
24:13
👏👏👏👏👏
Paul Shain
24:14
Yay!!
Hell Hammer
24:16
🙌
Greg Lowney
24:16
Yay!
Filipa Duarte
24:23
👏
Joe Diaz
34:04
To everyone just joining, welcome! Feel free to write any questions in the chat or just unmute yourself if you'd like to ask them yourself.
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
36:20
quick note: speech volume is moving around a lot
Joe Diaz
36:43
Thanks Chris! Wasn't sure if it was just me
Symmetry (they/them)
37:12
i noticed too, i thought it was because sometimes he is closer to his microphone than other times
Liz Surette
38:04
Dunce cap for Trevor :p
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
38:28
it's mic proximity, and also auto-leveling vs speech, distance, + piano
Symmetry (they/them)
39:01
ii-V-I is so common in jazz too
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
41:34
yeah the info is great -- i don't wanna miss it :D
Dallas
41:54
I wonder if a classical instrument lead to 151 cause other cultures have diff progressions
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
42:56
Dallas, I-V-I is highly reliant on Western Music. As you mention, when you move into other cultures, everything starts to change up
Dallas
43:40
That’s why I was wondering what’s the reason
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
45:26
Locrian is v mysterious, which I like
Joe Diaz
45:31
To everyone just joining, welcome! Feel free to write any questions in the chat or just unmute yourself if you'd like to ask them yourself.
Dallas
45:43
Lorian is there to annoy perfectionists who like Ionian mode
Joe Diaz
45:55
😁
Dallas
45:57
Locrian *
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
48:45
is this X Japan? J-rock loves those big major harmonies... (thirds?)
Joe Diaz
49:01
Yes!
Symmetry (they/them)
49:33
i noticed V-I a few times in there too
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
49:48
My favorite is a game soundtrack, ha, called Drunkard Does Make Wise Remarks, by Daisuke Ishiwatari
Joe Diaz
50:30
Looking it up, Christopher!
Dallas
50:31
Law: Dio cannot screw up lol
Joe Diaz
50:42
Lol
Joe Diaz
50:58
Metal bends to Dio's will
Laurence King
51:24
This sounds normal to me.
Meaghan T'ao
51:29
shape of despair is peak
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
51:37
big crunchy slow chords, nice
Joe Diaz
52:13
Been there, bud
Hell Hammer
52:13
Dio cannot be silenced
Trevor Stricker
52:24
Satan wanted more!
Joe Diaz
52:30
Lol
Joe Diaz
52:39
+666
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
52:43
haha this slide is MY SLIDE
Corey Meyer
52:58
one of the best game soundtracks ever. Koji Kondo!
Trevor Stricker
53:03
Several game devs here so don't apologize for Zelda references!
Mishael Quraishi
53:13
Iconic
Kris Engel
53:30
Where could one find examples of the harmonic minor being used ?
Joe Diaz
54:04
Surprise! This class is a giant personality test. Are you a Dorian or a Locrian? Mixolydian Rising?
Emily Fan
54:11
How can you tell whether things are major/minor/Dorian etc
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
54:13
Just saw 'em last night. They sadly did not play Lateralus
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
54:39
@Emily, you get an ear for it. 'happy' sounds are major, sad/mysterious sounds are minor. <-- broad generalization
Emily Fan
54:40
Because literally if you shift the base note around it becomes Dorian/minor/etc instead
Symmetry (they/them)
55:25
since dorian has a natural 6 (instead of a flat 6, which is what minor has), it makes the IV chord major, and i see a lot of bands lean heavily on that major IV (like in these examples)
Meaghan T'ao
55:29
inb4 that one chart of the different descriptions of keys and modes
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
55:34
hahahaha
Liz Surette
56:46
Bodom uses some harmonic minor
Kris Engel
56:55
Nah you did thanks
Kris Engel
57:01
Thanks Liz
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
59:24
it's all about where the music is resolving to
Sean Manton (they/them)
59:53
^^
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
01:00:07
lots of guitar-based metal is in D or C (largely depending on detuning the lowest string) because guitarists love to play the lowest chord (and open fifth)
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
01:00:25
B/A if they're cool enough to play a 7-string haha
Joe Diaz
01:00:26
Thanks everyone. Keep them coming. We can also talk more after
Symmetry (they/them)
01:00:52
to elaborate on what Christopher said (correct me if i’m wrong), yes C major and D dorian do use the same 7 notes, but a song in C major will keep resolving to that C major chord and ending on it to reinforce that, and a song in D dorian will keep coming back to that D minor chord and reinforcing that that’s the tonic
Symmetry (they/them)
01:00:55
idk if that made sense
Symmetry (they/them)
01:01:31
i get nervous typing in the chat because i’m scared of messing up
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
01:01:39
yep! you kinda can't tell what mode/scale a single chord is in -- it's all about where it feels mathematically in the context of the song
Trevor Stricker
01:02:07
I appreciate your insight @Symmetry, so no worries if you get a pedantic detail off.
Symmetry (they/them)
01:02:47
when Colin mentioned mixolydian earlier in the lecture, “Shoot to Thrill” was the first song that came to mind haha
Dallas
01:03:18
It is so helpful to finally see where these modes are used, thanks Colin!!
Symmetry (they/them)
01:03:31
ah yes, lydian, the Plini mode
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
01:03:57
Lydian is excellent for writing uplifting etheral stuff. Ambient stuff is often in Lydian
Dallas
01:04:16
These are some happy aliens
Jessica Yang
01:06:23
Not a lot of motion in Constant Motion
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
01:06:40
oo00ooo
Joe Diaz
01:06:42
+1 Jessica
Joe Diaz
01:06:55
Also, missed that Dallas! 👽
Sean Manton (they/them)
01:07:42
There's definitely some death metal bands that use dominant phrygian as well
Symmetry (they/them)
01:07:45
sometimes i play music for my mom and when she says, “this sounds middle eastern” i’m like, “that’s because it’s in phrygian dominant”
Trevor Stricker
01:08:34
So... is this telling me why I have to be a powerslave?
Joe Diaz
01:08:38
List them if you have examples, Sean! Feel free to share those you shared with your mom too, Sym!
Emily Fan
01:08:49
What about Classical Chinese / Japanese music
Emily Fan
01:08:59
They seem to have a specific sound
Sean Manton (they/them)
01:09:12
Behemoth uses dominant phrygian a lot
Dallas
01:09:15
Chinese loves pentatonic scales :)
Joe Diaz
01:09:21
Don't forget to add suggestions here too! https://padlet.com/joediaz/mitmetal1012022
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
01:09:26
yep, that's all tonality, and typical disregard for 'western standard' because... well, it isn't western
Dallas
01:09:36
Ty Joe XD
Joe Diaz
01:09:39
Emily, please give examples if you have any!
Dallas
01:10:04
LOL Symmetry
Greg Lowney
01:10:42
Gotta run, will catch the rest later. Thanks!
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
01:10:44
I don't think I've ever heard of Octatonic, wow
Symmetry (they/them)
01:10:45
wait did i miss when Colin talked about regular phyrigian (not phyrigian dominant) or did he not get there yet?
Dallas
01:11:13
I was gonna ask that! He not there yet I guess?
Edward Scarsella
01:11:40
play the dormivore song!!!!
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
01:11:46
Interesting! I think this is kind of thing I'd think was Chromatic
Filipa Duarte
01:11:49
yeees, play itt
Joe Diaz
01:11:53
No no, reg Phrygian will get an honorable mention :)
Tanya Dmuchowski
01:12:26
Love that song sooo much hell yeah!!
Akshay Kothakonda
01:13:02
@Tanya Same! Systematic Chaos is a near perfect album for me!
Dallas
01:13:05
No plz keep going I got all night XD
Tanya Dmuchowski
01:13:33
Such cool chords
Tanya Dmuchowski
01:14:24
@akshay Agreed!
Tanya Dmuchowski
01:14:37
Whoa, that was spooky and so incredibly unique!
Joe Diaz
01:15:34
+1 Tanya
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
01:16:08
Colin, how did you get started with theory? are you classically trained from start?
Dallas
01:16:34
What’s common in doom metal?
Joe Diaz
01:17:01
QED, Jazz is Metal
Dallas
01:17:08
And the common modes for really sad melodeath?
Emily Fan
01:17:55
Is it more common for people to chose a mode and then write a song or do people write a song and then realize it’s a particular mode?
Sean Manton (they/them)
01:18:37
probably the latter Emily
Trevor Stricker
01:18:57
Personally, I have plenty of time if you guys do.
Symmetry (they/them)
01:19:02
i love modes so much. i get wicked excited about them too
Trevor Stricker
01:19:04
(And this is fascinating)
Corey Meyer
01:19:11
Can we do this every Wednesday night? thanks
Dallas
01:19:26
Amen to that XD
Joe Diaz
01:19:32
Emily, getting to that in this bit!
Jessica Yang
01:19:33
+1
Joe Diaz
01:20:13
Corey, Dallas, Jessica, totally agree
Akshay Kothakonda
01:22:32
Wow
Tanya Dmuchowski
01:22:34
That’s a helluva story!
Dallas
01:22:41
This is fucking romantic
Joe Diaz
01:22:43
Wow
Dallas
01:22:45
I love it XD
Joe Diaz
01:23:03
Dr. Brumley, that's incredible
David Brumley
01:23:07
Yep, it’s a true story.
Tanya Dmuchowski
01:26:09
Br000tal!
Joe Diaz
01:26:38
Song can be found here for later listening! https://dormivore.bandcamp.com/album/caduceus-single
Corey Meyer
01:26:58
🤟
Corey Meyer
01:27:34
🤘****
Tanya Dmuchowski
01:29:16
GREAT music!!
Filipa Duarte
01:29:28
It's an awesome song!!
Joe Diaz
01:29:43
+1 Tanya and Filipa
Laurence King
01:29:45
I hear it!
Phrygian Scale
01:29:55
That part better suits your vocal quality
Symmetry (they/them)
01:30:06
i listened to the song in advance to prepare for the lecture, and was thoroughly enjoying it
David King
01:30:20
I agree Mr. Scale!
Corey Meyer
01:30:56
also agreed
Tanya Dmuchowski
01:31:00
That vocal melody is sick
Mishael Quraishi
01:31:36
^^^
Filipa Duarte
01:32:16
So, when can we see you guys play live? 😂
Jessica Yang
01:33:46
This is a bop
Dallas
01:34:44
BOP
Tanya Dmuchowski
01:35:34
Right?! SO good!!
Tanya Dmuchowski
01:36:22
Wow! These are all such great examples of how implementing more complex music theory ideas can add so much color and creativity to a song, nice!!
Filipa Duarte
01:36:47
@tanya completely agree!
Filipa Duarte
01:40:14
I'm loving the drums as well
Vince Lowney
01:40:58
question on the evocation of emotion from various modes - is this a brain thing hardwired into all humans to associate minor with "dark," or is this because we are socialized to associate THESE modes with THESE emotions in our shared cultural context? - wondering as my emotions are expertly being manipulated by Colin...
Dallas
01:41:45
I think it’s because of culture (as someone from a different culture)
Vince Lowney
01:42:23
ty Dallas
Dallas
01:42:38
Nooooooooooooooo
Joe Diaz
01:43:11
Just to repost https://dormivore.bandcamp.com/album/caduceus-single
Dallas
01:44:01
Our saviour XD
Phrygian Scale
01:44:04
Kinda means sleepeater?
Hell Hammer
01:44:45
love Abnormality (female fronted) unfortunately broke up last year
Symmetry (they/them)
01:45:54
i still have my screenshot of the metal ingredient list from last year!
Dallas
01:46:05
Thank you for being a nerd XD
Jessica Yang
01:47:05
Debussy <3
Tanya Dmuchowski
01:47:43
Beautifulllllll
Tanya Dmuchowski
01:48:52
Professor Brumley RULES!
Phrygian Scale
01:49:07
Brass for Africa is the name?
Tanya Dmuchowski
01:49:30
That’s awesome. Every kid should have access to an instrument <3
Joe Diaz
01:49:37
https://www.brassforafrica.org/
Filipa Duarte
01:49:41
Can we send the donation at any time?
Joe Diaz
01:49:44
Or got us in trouble...
Joe Diaz
01:49:49
Yes!
Phrygian Scale
01:49:52
oh, if I didn't have chat in the forefront I would see it, lol
Joe Diaz
01:49:58
Lol
Tanya Dmuchowski
01:51:23
So good!!
Jessica Yang
01:51:39
That is so cool
Hell Hammer
01:51:53
you look like "Just Another Brick in the Wall"
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
01:51:57
2/3 wearing sleeves - fascinating
Tanya Dmuchowski
01:51:58
So friggin cool!!
Trevor Stricker
01:52:04
Haha @Hell
Filipa Duarte
01:52:21
Guess I have to buy a plane ticket to the States!
Phrygian Scale
01:52:27
Good question Trevor. I wouldn't have guessed that's how to do it.
Emily Fan
01:52:38
THAT WAS REALLY COOOL
Symmetry (they/them)
01:52:41
👏
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
01:52:41
👏👏👏👏
David King
01:52:46
much clap
Tanya Dmuchowski
01:52:46
SO GOOD!! Colin’s a genius!
Hell Hammer
01:52:47
👏
Mishael Quraishi
01:52:48
AWESOME
Brian Alber
01:52:55
Bravo! This was awesome!
Dallas
01:52:55
👏👏👏👏👏👏
Trevor Stricker
01:53:02
Boston is likely the closest part of the US to Portugal @Filipa
Filipa Duarte
01:53:06
Amazing! 👏
Filipa Duarte
01:53:22
That's true @Trevor ahah
Phrygian Scale
01:53:23
Thank you Colin, this was so worthwhile
Emily Fan
01:53:29
Can we get the presentation posted on metal.mit.edu?
Ekanem Okeke
01:53:35
Thank you!
Trevor Stricker
01:54:00
Thanks Colin. This was really informative and interesting. Perhaps break into multiple sessions if you do it again? Really a lot of stuff to cover and you seem to be very knowledgeable.
Symmetry (they/them)
01:54:01
YESSSSS DR. GORE
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
01:54:12
three umlauts!
Trevor Stricker
01:54:28
Are umlauts inversely proportional to sleeves...?
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
01:54:34
big question
Sean Manton (they/them)
01:55:37
I was the one who made the turntable. just joined the slack so hopefully we can find some times to listen together soon!
Symmetry (they/them)
01:55:51
thank you Joe and Colin!!!!
Filipa Duarte
01:55:53
That's awesome @Sean!!
Phrygian Scale
01:56:02
Today's band tried was Angel Witch. Like Venom you can hear how they were a prototype for later metal
Trevor Stricker
01:56:49
Damn I love Venom so much
Emily Fan
01:56:50
Can we get the presentation posted on metal.mit.edu?
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
01:57:01
g'byeee
Filipa Duarte
01:57:02
Thank you guys!!! See ya tomorrow!
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
01:57:56
Colin what's the best note
Trevor Stricker
01:58:23
Very basic question: what is a mode? What's the definition? Is it just a tweak on a scale or something deeper?
Joe Diaz
01:59:36
Links:https://padlet.com/joediaz/mitmetal1012022
Joe Diaz
01:59:45
https://bit.ly/mitmetalslack2022
Joe Diaz
01:59:50
https://turntable.fm/61dcda92261cf0001dd87de8
Trevor Stricker
02:00:11
Definitely F#
Phrygian Scale
02:00:12
What do you yourself want to learn more about, theory-wise, if anything?
Mishael Quraishi
02:00:13
Good choice
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
02:00:14
Eb - good choice! Ebm is not a note tho
Joe Diaz
02:01:06
https://noctobre.bandcamp.com/album/pilot
Joe Diaz
02:01:13
https://dormivore.bandcamp.com/album/prognosticator
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
02:01:33
Colin will know better, but I feel like every mode is a choice to flatten one particular note of the scale
Joe Diaz
02:01:52
Weird is great
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
02:02:17
No
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
02:02:18
haha
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
02:02:55
(I'm a very lazy creative, so i try to find shorthand for everything)
Joe Diaz
02:03:06
Lol that helps
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
02:03:22
it was a genuine point! :'(
Joe Diaz
02:04:07
Circle of Fifths: https://www.musicnotes.com/now/tips/circle-of-fifths-guide/
Phrygian Scale
02:04:33
I still remember reading a little of the sheet music for Surfing With The Alien, and how hard it seemed for them to modally describe what he was doing.
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
02:04:45
'shreddin''
Joe Diaz
02:05:25
(for reference)
Phrygian Scale
02:05:28
They were not even sure, it was like "well, it passes near this scale or mode, but it isn't really it"
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
02:05:34
music theory is a gateway drug and it's very important to not consume it casually
Hell Hammer
02:05:53
https://open.spotify.com/track/4PAsYAQCAm5pNPPtqIZmwF?si=3076a30e23d24037
Joe Diaz
02:05:54
But where does it lead...
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
02:06:13
it's a circle, Joe...
Joe Diaz
02:06:16
Lol
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
02:07:01
I'm really fascinated by this Octatonic thing. Colin, do you happen to know why I've never heard of it before tonight? Fwiw I pay reasonable attention to composition
Rodolfo Santos
02:07:12
When you mentioned that rock is built around the plagal cadence as opposed to the authentic cadence did you factor in for the tonality cadence changing on the modality (say if something is Dorian your plagal cadence would be a dominant chord to a minor)
Phrygian Scale
02:08:43
I mean my experience is only "took guitar lessons as a teen", but I've heard of all the others before besides Octatonic.
Hell Hammer
02:08:44
riot = mosh pit
Phrygian Scale
02:10:18
Imagine suffering drastic consequences because people were exposed to a new musical sound, almost unimaginable!
Joe Diaz
02:10:34
😆
Hell Hammer
02:10:58
...love hearing these other perspectives...
Joe Diaz
02:11:15
Are there other questions folks have as we're winding down?
Joe Diaz
02:12:12
I'm happy to lend you a record player if you need one, Laurence! Haha
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
02:12:21
Thanks!
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
02:13:06
shorthand: plagal cadence is the 'a-men' cadence.
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
02:13:51
the song of time opens with a IV to I in its first two notes, i think?
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
02:16:54
Thanks a bunch. Really fun week so far.
Hell Hammer
02:17:04
great job!
Jessica Yang
02:17:05
Thank you!
Hell Hammer
02:17:20
bÿe
CHRISTOPHER FLOYD
02:17:20
o7
Steven Sullivan
02:17:23
Thanks everyone! Wonderful stuff.
Phrygian Scale
02:18:22
I appreciate everything. Good luck and health!
Phrygian Scale
02:18:26
tomrrow...