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MIT Heavy Metal 101: History of Heavy Metal, Part III (2022) [Rescheduled to 1/31] - Shared screen with speaker view
CHRISTOPHER F
07:08
animals as leaders
Symmetry (they/them)
07:25
prog metal?! (please)
Symmetry (they/them)
07:38
my favorite
Pedro Sarmento
07:45
Unexpected? Diablo Swing Orchestra?
CHRISTOPHER F
07:47
faith no more
CHRISTOPHER F
08:17
no more faith no more :')
Steven Hanford
08:27
Hey Joe!
Akemi Nishimura
08:30
I will re-enter the room due to technical problem I have
Filipa Duarte
08:38
👋
Symmetry (they/them)
08:46
i’m glad YOU’RE here Joe!!
Aurél Puppi
08:48
Hey!It's quite late here (0:30 in Europe :D), glad I could make it
Aurél Puppi
08:55
Hungary
CHRISTOPHER F
09:04
what does IAP stand for?
Symmetry (they/them)
09:05
i have a friend in Hungary
CHRISTOPHER F
09:38
ahh ok. i was telling a friend about this course, and he is ex-mit and mentioned it too
Symmetry (they/them)
09:47
IAP is during winter break right?
Trevor Stricker
10:03
In Vino Veritas == my fave 😍
Symmetry (they/them)
10:12
so for people who don’t go home for break, they can have something to do?
CHRISTOPHER F
10:32
haha wow
CHRISTOPHER F
11:21
how many people here are mit/ex-mit? (i am not)
Symmetry (they/them)
11:25
@Hell Hammer what band is on your shirt? you’re too small to see
Symmetry (they/them)
11:52
@Christopher my dad went to MIT! (i applied but didn’t get in lol)
CHRISTOPHER F
12:21
i learned to program thanks to eric grimason's mit python online course, but that's it, haha
Trevor Stricker
12:45
Chris which one is that? I getpeople asking for good online courses all the time.
Symmetry (they/them)
12:49
on OCW? the MIT OCW python course is fantastic
CHRISTOPHER F
13:16
yeah it has changed since i did it in 2014, @trevor. it was the 600x thing:
CHRISTOPHER F
13:56
https://www.edx.org/course/introduction-to-computer-science-and-programming-7
Symmetry (they/them)
16:18
@Christopher https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/electrical-engineering-and-computer-science/6-0001-introduction-to-computer-science-and-programming-in-python-fall-2016/
CHRISTOPHER F
16:22
can confirm; am euro
Symmetry (they/them)
16:24
i think i did the newer version of your class
Aurél Puppi
18:05
Germans do love their Power/Folk metal
Symmetry (they/them)
18:59
my friend is in a boston-based folk/black metal band, but they have way more fans in europe than locally
Hell Hammer
19:11
👍
Joe Diaz
19:14
Thanks!
Trevor Stricker
19:18
Which band @sym?
Symmetry (they/them)
20:10
the band is called Dzö-Nga, and their most recent album, Thunder In The Mountains, made my top 5 albums of 2020. i cannot recommend it highly enough!
Symmetry (they/them)
20:52
i had never heard folk metal before listening to them, and it blew my mind because i had no idea such a combination was possible
Symmetry (they/them)
22:27
the woman sounded a bit like an opera singer
CHRISTOPHER F
22:27
there was metal in it
Chris Eykamp
22:36
Instrumentation in first case
Aurél Puppi
22:37
Definetely the chorus
Trevor Stricker
22:44
No detail escapes Chris Floyd :P
CHRISTOPHER F
23:11
:)
Daniel Toner
23:15
What kind of meter (complex) was the first ex. in?
Trevor Stricker
23:27
Nightwish == given love by Steve Harris
CHRISTOPHER F
23:34
it was a weird 5/4, think
Trevor Stricker
23:35
He knows even more about Metal than Chris Floyd!
CHRISTOPHER F
24:05
[impossible, trevor]
Symmetry (they/them)
25:43
a lot of polyrhythms (to the point where polyrhythms get memed in the prog community haha)
Chris Eykamp
25:44
Is it "progressive metal" or "prog metal"?
Symmetry (they/them)
25:52
@Chris Eykamp yes
CHRISTOPHER F
25:59
either is fine
Trevor Stricker
26:13
This one @sym?https://dzo-nga.bandcamp.com/album/thunder-in-the-mountains
Trevor Stricker
26:24
Queensryche...?!
Chris Eykamp
26:25
Don't want to be the loser at the party who mispronounces "prog". :-)
Lucy Low
27:02
Haha ;p
CHRISTOPHER F
27:04
not to be confused with prague metal
Symmetry (they/them)
27:14
whenever i say “prog metal” out loud, people think i’m talking about metal from the capital of the czech republic
CHRISTOPHER F
27:46
or frag metal, which is when you play Doom
CHRISTOPHER F
27:59
this is v quiet, joe
Hell Hammer
28:14
concept album = prog
Hell Hammer
28:24
👍
Symmetry (they/them)
28:25
@Trevor that’s the one! although my friend told me the band actually gets more of the money if you buy it through their label’s bandcamp: https://avantgardemusic.bandcamp.com/album/thunder-in-the-mountains
CHRISTOPHER F
28:44
i feel like i recognize this, but i don't think i actually know it
Liz Surette
29:34
Geoff Tate's beautiful voice
Symmetry (they/them)
30:33
prog metal was how i got into metal, and it’s still my favorite subgenre
Joe Diaz
30:43
Try to count the meter :)
CHRISTOPHER F
30:46
love those keys.. they always remind me of playing Final Fantasy
Steven Hanford
30:49
Portnoy!
Hell Hammer
31:23
post-Portnoy
Symmetry (they/them)
32:10
inb4 “djent is not a genre”
Aurél Puppi
32:11
@CHRISTOPHER FYeah, this sounded really like some boss music from there :D
CHRISTOPHER F
32:19
:)
Trevor Stricker
32:34
FF comparisons is a compliment, right??
Hell Hammer
33:07
@Sym "djenre" ?
CHRISTOPHER F
33:23
carcrashscience.bandcamp.com/track/djenerative - generative music playing djent using samples
Pedro Sarmento
33:26
where does the name "progressive" come from? is it because of song length? Because for me it always seems that the changes in the prog metal repertoire are always very rapid and abrupt
CHRISTOPHER F
33:35
ha rad!
CHRISTOPHER F
34:16
i love TesseracT. they are pretty prog, too
Symmetry (they/them)
34:34
i LOVE TesseracT
Symmetry (they/them)
34:47
Altered State is my favorite album of all time, and that’s not a decision i make lightly
Pedro Sarmento
35:15
for those of you in the UK, Tesseract and Dream Theather are touring together with gigs in London by April
Symmetry (they/them)
35:19
@Pedro i think it comes from progressive rock, because progressive metal is a blend of metal and progressive rock (Joe correct me if i’m wrong)
Pedro Sarmento
35:47
@Sym thanks! It makes sense, in progressive rock things are much more progressive haha
Joe Diaz
35:56
Sym, you've got it! Influences come the prog rock style. More to be said
CHRISTOPHER F
36:08
'progressive' in musical terms tends to mean 'doing experimental and non-traditional things', see examples like 'progressive house'
Symmetry (they/them)
36:23
a fun fact is that John Petrucci (Dream Theater) is Jake Bowen’s (Periphery) uncle
Pedro Sarmento
36:42
@Sym no way! Had no idea about this, great coincidence
Liz Surette
36:48
Djent is a Pokemon among metal subgenres--it constantly says its own name
Symmetry (they/them)
36:53
just shows the nepotism in prog metal (jk)
Pedro Sarmento
36:58
hahaha
CHRISTOPHER F
37:14
there was a tour in the uk years ago called The League of Extraordinary Djentlemen
Pedro Sarmento
37:15
very dynastical
CHRISTOPHER F
37:31
haha i like that @Liz
Trevor Stricker
37:52
But @Liz that's why you love it, no?
Symmetry (they/them)
37:59
yessssss BTBAM
Pedro Sarmento
38:18
BTBAM are insane, huge fan
Liz Surette
38:26
@Trevor I'm not huge into it
Lucy Low
38:41
BTBAM same Pedro
CHRISTOPHER F
40:38
hmm i have never managed to get into Deafheaven
Hell Hammer
44:51
Deafheaven reminds me a lot of 2nd wave Black Metal
Chris Eykamp
45:57
Deafheaven sounds like Wedding Present
CHRISTOPHER F
46:01
i find their sound very thin, and the vocals just lose me
CHRISTOPHER F
46:49
yeah, i'm moreso interested in knowing why you like it! (no dissing!)
Liz Surette
49:04
Orphaned Land is much different from Ensiferum but both are folk
Pedro Sarmento
50:05
korpiklaani's so much fun
Pedro Sarmento
52:08
VODKA
Pedro Sarmento
52:24
no worries hehe
Aurél Puppi
52:44
Yeah, this is quite different from the American one
CHRISTOPHER F
52:55
is folk metal tongue in cheek?
Hell Hammer
53:09
I wonder if the "old-timers" are more open to the folk metal than they would be straight metal ?
Chris Eykamp
53:10
Sounds like Murphy's Law!!!
Hell Hammer
53:21
Flogging Molly
Symmetry (they/them)
53:26
this is cool, i want to hear more
Trevor Stricker
53:30
This is too polished to be tongue-in-cheek I think.
Trevor Stricker
53:42
Yeah, I can see the Flogging Molly feels.
CHRISTOPHER F
53:44
weird al is pretty polished!
Aurél Puppi
54:19
We even have famous poetry turned into metal with violins and everything
Trevor Stricker
54:20
Are you shitting on my point? :P
CHRISTOPHER F
54:32
:0
Trevor Stricker
54:44
Puya's cool
CHRISTOPHER F
54:52
Il Nino almost feels like it falls into this
Timur Garipov
54:54
For those interested in folk metal: Baradj (https://baradj.info/) is a post-folk-metal band from my hometown in Russia mixing metal with local folklore. My cousin played drums in this band.
Pedro Sarmento
55:17
@Timur, thanks, checking it out!
Aurél Puppi
55:18
For example:Dalriada-Walesi Bárdok
Trevor Stricker
55:22
Like Russian folk music @timur?
Hell Hammer
55:43
Pirate Metal
Symmetry (they/them)
56:16
wait the band Sunn O))) is just pronounced “sun”? you don’t pronounce the O)))? (i genuinely have never heard their name said out loud before, sorry for the stupid question)
Pedro Sarmento
56:32
@Sym I always did pronounce the O
Pedro Sarmento
56:40
sun oh
Symmetry (they/them)
57:14
i’ve never listened to them, just seen the name a lot. but only written down
CHRISTOPHER F
57:21
sun o))) are just named after sun amplifiers. i've never fully understood how that worked out
Akemi Nishimura
57:55
However, I know one of composers for Baby Metal. He really loves Heavy Metal music a lot! FYI
CHRISTOPHER F
58:04
cool!
Timur Garipov
58:16
@Trevor, they focus on folklore of local ethnic groups of my region (Tatars, Volga Bulgars), so that’s not exactly Russian folk music (as it commonly known), there are many ethnic groups in Russia 🙂
Akemi Nishimura
58:43
@CHRIS actually he is one of my friends!
CHRISTOPHER F
58:48
Sleigh Bells are a good example of that kinda weird metal/pop sound
Hell Hammer
59:25
"Gimic Metal"
Joe Diaz
59:47
Sunn O is interesting. I used to say O but was corrected. Just Sun!
Trevor Stricker
59:50
Hmm... is this like Die Antwoord but metal instead of dance music?
Trevor Stricker
01:00:59
@Akemi do you mean Kei Kobayashi?
Hell Hammer
01:01:21
Barney Metal
CHRISTOPHER F
01:01:41
good lore haha
Akemi Nishimura
01:02:26
@Trevor Unfortunately No. Baby Metal has many composers for their songs. Therefore, it is very hard for us to make sure all of them.
Trevor Stricker
01:02:43
nod nod
CHRISTOPHER F
01:03:34
44 views!
Trevor Stricker
01:03:50
More than any metal video I've ever made @chris
CHRISTOPHER F
01:04:15
:'(
Aurél Puppi
01:04:18
Wow, didn't know we also had a heavisaurus version
Chris Eykamp
01:04:25
Can't imagine those stage fans are cooling mucin in those outfits
Symmetry (they/them)
01:04:31
@Trevor send me your metal video and i’ll watch it 45 times
Joe Diaz
01:04:43
I like that the Argentinians are Dimebag fans
Trevor Stricker
01:04:43
[frantically works on a metal video]
Hell Hammer
01:04:44
you'd think with millions of years, they could have produced something better
Pedro Sarmento
01:04:55
hahaha
Filipa Duarte
01:05:05
😂
Hell Hammer
01:05:11
now I see why they became extinct
CHRISTOPHER F
01:05:34
this kind of rules. i bet kids dig it
Aurél Puppi
01:05:47
A mosh pit with 5 year olds is just a funny idea for me
Hell Hammer
01:05:49
why is this craziness only metal...why no Classic Rockasaurs ?
Hell Hammer
01:06:08
Barber Shop Quartet Metal
Akemi Nishimura
01:06:10
@Trevior This is the band my friend for Baby Metal played when he was 20 years old. FYI https://youtu.be/YGkpP3u-y-E
Chris Eykamp
01:06:16
I'm scared
Aurél Puppi
01:06:41
there is also lullaby metal
Trevor Stricker
01:06:50
Thanks @Akemi
CHRISTOPHER F
01:06:52
is this an iron maiden cover?!
Joe Diaz
01:06:58
Keep the recommendations coming!
CHRISTOPHER F
01:06:59
afraid to shoot strangers?! that's what it sounds like
Trevor Stricker
01:07:00
A Capella Maiden!
Trevor Stricker
01:07:05
Fear of the Dark @Chris
Hell Hammer
01:07:09
no, this is the original, Iron Maiden covered this
Fabio Castro
01:07:15
their drums are also voices?
Joe Diaz
01:07:16
Hahaha
Trevor Stricker
01:07:16
HAHA @Hell
CHRISTOPHER F
01:07:17
:o
CHRISTOPHER F
01:07:34
oh duh it's fear of the dark
Symmetry (they/them)
01:07:44
@Fabio i was literally typing the same thing
Trevor Stricker
01:07:52
What could they do with Number of the Beast? 🤔
Timur Garipov
01:07:58
I really like their cover of “Master of Puppets”
Hell Hammer
01:08:01
"I have a constant fear that my metal songs will be replicated as this"
CHRISTOPHER F
01:08:14
i can't imagine seeing that in person, ha
Trevor Stricker
01:08:35
Do you think this is just a schtick @Hell? I think it's really musical and a cool reworking of it.
Hell Hammer
01:08:36
Yo Ho!
Aurél Puppi
01:08:43
for lullaby metal, again iron maidenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHjqpBFjSPI
Symmetry (they/them)
01:08:45
omg i was going to mention them!!
Hell Hammer
01:09:04
no, Kazoo Metal ?
CHRISTOPHER F
01:09:08
haha wtf
Hell Hammer
01:09:11
Richard Cheese
Symmetry (they/them)
01:09:30
my friend, the keyboardist and vocalist of Dzö-Nga, the folk/black metal band i mentioned earlier, is also in Wake of Sirens!!
Aurél Puppi
01:09:32
Isn't this the band that played once for Ozzy?
Akemi Nishimura
01:09:35
Joe, Me also! I love Mac Sabbath a lot!
Trevor Stricker
01:09:39
No no no. Richard Cheese corrects songs where the original artist fucked it up.
Hell Hammer
01:09:56
the new trend, people going to Karaoke nights and singing the Mac Sabbath lyrics over the BS songs, true story
CHRISTOPHER F
01:10:19
someone teach me; is this a cover?
CHRISTOPHER F
01:10:27
oh i know it now nevermind
Trevor Stricker
01:10:41
"That night when Chris Floyd didn't recognize Black Sabbath"
Trevor Stricker
01:10:48
It shall go down in infamy.
CHRISTOPHER F
01:10:56
:'(
Joe Diaz
01:11:07
We all learn here :)
Hell Hammer
01:11:08
now I'm hungry
Hell Hammer
01:11:30
need them to do Super Bowl halftime show
Paul Shain
01:11:42
Guitar player has all his fingers. Not very dedicated!
CHRISTOPHER F
01:11:49
casuals!
Trevor Stricker
01:11:58
To be fair Iommi is just missing a finger _tip_.
Hell Hammer
01:12:02
@paul not a true cover band LOL
Aurél Puppi
01:12:38
Deathklok, Metallica in The Simpsons
Trevor Stricker
01:13:02
Matallica in the Simpsons was 🤘
Trevor Stricker
01:13:23
Metalocalypse == Spinal Tap++
Aurél Puppi
01:13:38
Oh, also Judas Priest in the simpsons. And they (Judas) are not death metal
Hell Hammer
01:13:50
Metalocalypse = real music by real musicians
Hell Hammer
01:14:24
...and Anvil was pissed...
Liz Surette
01:14:24
I went to see them live
CHRISTOPHER F
01:14:56
My gf reminds me that y'all might find Pentakill interesting for this (a 'cartoon' band that is comprised of characters from the videogame League of Legends)
Trevor Stricker
01:15:10
As a cartoon band, they were outsold by Gorillaz
Aurél Puppi
01:15:29
There also is Elite Tauren Cheiften for Warcraft/WoW
Joe Diaz
01:16:08
Oh keep the references coming!
Joe Diaz
01:16:24
Will look up Pentakill
Joe Diaz
01:16:28
Liz how was it?
Liz Surette
01:16:38
Really good
Liz Surette
01:16:47
The animations and dialogue were funny
Aurél Puppi
01:16:50
Look up Batmetal also
Steven Hanford
01:16:56
This is the most blackest metal I've ever heard
Hell Hammer
01:17:04
sold well, because it has all of the metal cliches
CHRISTOPHER F
01:17:07
legit good guitar! you're convincing me to finally give this show a chance
Joe Diaz
01:17:07
Duncan Hills!
Liz Surette
01:17:19
blacker than the blackest black times infinity
CHRISTOPHER F
01:18:04
oh sure! yeah it's almost power metal
Hell Hammer
01:18:04
'New Attach on Titan intro is Metal
Aurél Puppi
01:18:22
Megadeth Back in the day in Duck dodgers
Aurél Puppi
01:18:59
Brütal Legend of course
Trevor Stricker
01:19:00
Video games? What are those?
Fabio Castro
01:19:16
Rocksmith!
CHRISTOPHER F
01:19:20
Doom 2016's soundtrack rules
Aurél Puppi
01:19:29
Doom isn't really an influence, rather a complete rip off :D
CHRISTOPHER F
01:19:38
BPM is a new one
Fabio Castro
01:19:51
Rocksmith is a guitar hero with actual guitar
Aurél Puppi
01:20:33
Doom 1 and 2 has it's soundtrack "stolen" from actual songs. There is a list on the doom wiki on which level song which metal song is
Aurél Puppi
01:20:44
like E1M1 is No remorse from metallica
CHRISTOPHER F
01:20:50
oh sure, yeah thats true. the e1m1 music is metallica
Aurél Puppi
01:20:52
Also some Slayer song, Alice in chains etc
CHRISTOPHER F
01:21:01
2016 is more riffing on Slipknot, if i had to compare.
Trevor Stricker
01:21:03
No Remorse? I bet they have No Regret.
Trevor Stricker
01:21:09
🥁
Aurél Puppi
01:21:39
https://doom.fandom.com/wiki/Doom_musiccomplete list
Liz Surette
01:21:56
You can hear the original songs in the Doom versions but they did add plenty of their own elements
CHRISTOPHER F
01:22:08
:o i have no other classes this week! i wonder how i missed them
Aurél Puppi
01:22:28
yeah, Bobby Prince was a lawyer, so he knew how much he could rip off without getting sued
Aurél Puppi
01:22:41
I think Romero wanted to have these songs in the game
Akemi Nishimura
01:23:25
@joe, thanks for a lot of research info! it is very helpful for me.
Fabio Castro
01:24:37
Blind Guardian = Lord of the Rings
Trevor Stricker
01:25:13
I once heard this metal song about the light brigade...
Aurél Puppi
01:25:37
oh yeah, Trooper
Joe Diaz
01:26:43
Oh so many LotR references!
Symmetry (they/them)
01:27:09
i said this earlier, but that’s my friend who’s in Dzö-Nga on the keys
Timur Garipov
01:27:11
Love Sabaton! Saw them live in Russia, they were opening band for Scorpions in one of their “final tours”
CHRISTOPHER F
01:27:17
not how i expected the vox to sound!
Hell Hammer
01:27:34
sounds like Lacuna Coil
Liz Surette
01:27:53
Powerglove covers this
Pedro Sarmento
01:28:25
subtitles in portuguese
CHRISTOPHER F
01:29:07
wooo o/
CHRISTOPHER F
01:29:55
cannae wait
Filipa Duarte
01:29:55
yeeey
Pedro Sarmento
01:30:04
super interesting!
Chris Eykamp
01:30:08
Thanks so much! This has been awesome!!!!!!!!!
Lucy Low
01:31:15
Karaoke interesting
Symmetry (they/them)
01:31:41
thank you Joe!!!!
Filipa Duarte
01:31:44
Thank you Joe!! @HellHammer thank you for the laughs today 😂 Bye everyone!! 👋
Pedro Sarmento
01:32:24
Thanks Joe!
CHRISTOPHER F
01:32:28
thanks joe!
Aurél Puppi
01:32:30
Chirstopher Bowes and his plate of beans is really interesting live
Akemi Nishimura
01:32:41
Thanks a lot Joe, have to work always...
CHRISTOPHER F
01:32:48
because it is full of nerds
CHRISTOPHER F
01:33:07
you are just more aware of it in metal. rap/hiphop has this
Aurél Puppi
01:33:16
It's not mainstream and there is room for experimentation
CHRISTOPHER F
01:33:16
yes, trevor is on the money, imo
CHRISTOPHER F
01:33:53
think of how varied rock is, pop is, etc etc
Trevor Stricker
01:34:02
I guess the question is "full of nerds" a good thing or a gad thing?
Trevor Stricker
01:34:06
Or up to the listener?
CHRISTOPHER F
01:34:09
defs a bad thing. look at us
Trevor Stricker
01:34:14
To me, it's 👍
CHRISTOPHER F
01:34:42
yeah it's very 'knowing', which is why i was curious if the folk metal was self-aware
CHRISTOPHER F
01:35:48
nerds love to categorize
CHRISTOPHER F
01:36:04
taxonomy etc
CHRISTOPHER F
01:36:33
hahahaahaha
CHRISTOPHER F
01:36:37
you're banned, trevor
CHRISTOPHER F
01:36:49
:)
Liz Surette
01:37:15
I do plenty of that in other settings
CHRISTOPHER F
01:37:16
please get him, liz
Liz Surette
01:37:29
Will do
CHRISTOPHER F
01:37:37
you all rule, thanks! see y'all later this week
Timur Garipov
01:37:46
Thanks Joe!
Steven Hanford
01:37:48
Bye Joe Thanks
Liz Surette
01:37:51
Good night