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MIT Heavy Metal 101: The GUTS of Heavy Metal: Metal Music Theory with Colin Brumley - Shared screen with speaker view
Jack Eaton
21:31
Bassist/composer - The Last King, KottGrav
sym (they/them)
22:06
this year i’ve been teaching myself how to record and mix
Andrew Hovey
22:09
played ‘cello for a long time
Ben Bembenek
22:10
guitar, went to Berkeley 1967-72
Aristeidis Karalis
22:41
Guitar (electric, classical)
Ben Bembenek
22:46
fun
Ben Bembenek
22:50
mostly
Will MacLennan
22:52
guitar
Ravi G
23:11
I play Aristeidis’ drum set
sym (they/them)
23:20
i played drums in high school
Aristeidis Karalis
23:23
hahaha
sym (they/them)
24:28
👏
Joe Diaz
24:33
skip skip
Joe Diaz
24:35
Lol
Dariel Cobb
24:39
thank you Joe
Jack Eaton
25:12
\m/ \m/
Joe Diaz
25:18
Thank y;all for being here
Viktor Simjanoski
25:20
bravo Joe
Steven Hanford
25:22
Thank you Joe!
Timothy Aarons
25:24
Clap clap clap
Liz Surette
25:58
Daaaaaaaavvvvvvvvveeeeeeeee <3
Joe Diaz
26:01
Hahaha
Joe Diaz
26:28
I'll be here! Throw anything here in the chat if you'd like
Joe Diaz
30:24
Piece of cake. Anyone have a favorite scale?
Joana M. F. da Trindade
30:38
d# minor
Andrew Feng
30:44
libra /JOKE
Timothy Aarons
30:57
Harmonic Minor Rulez
Tanya Dmuchowski
31:43
^^ i second this! also Phrygian !
Joe Diaz
31:50
Andrew, puns are valid but kept on the record
Daniel Toner
32:00
What do you get when you throw a piano down a mine shaft? A flat miner
Joe Diaz
32:40
Haha
Jess Yang
32:47
There’s no place like I
Andrew Feng
32:48
small price to pay for salvation
Andrew Feng
33:15
buy a musician a cocktail call that a gin I
Joe Diaz
33:18
Hahaha, keep 'em coming folks
Jack Eaton
33:40
Death metal polka?
Will MacLennan
33:52
Is polka metal a thing? If it isn’t someone should invent it.
Dariel Cobb
35:15
how does one know if a sharp/flat key will work in a given chord?
Joe Diaz
35:30
Check your volume all
Dariel Cobb
38:29
Thanks!
Daniel Yates
38:35
Mixo b9 b13 is another great one for a dark sound
sym (they/them)
40:34
iv (minor) - I (major) is such a beautiful progression in my opinion
Eric W
40:41
What’s the diff btn using upcase roman numerals, and lowercase?
Jess Yang
40:54
Uppercase - major, lowercase - minor
Eric W
41:20
major/minor, referring to the 3rd?
Joe Diaz
41:21
Plagal ftw
Joe Diaz
41:36
Thanks Jess!
Aristeidis Karalis
41:48
uppercase is major chord, lowercase minor chord
Jess Yang
41:57
Major has raised third, 3rd in a triad is major 3rd for major chord, minor third for minor chord
Eric W
42:12
cool!
Viktor Simjanoski
42:58
question for Colin (or Joe) since he made this analysis: what portion of rock and metal artists are proficient in music theory (and to what depth). I.e. is their work directly influenced by their knowledge in theory, or they "reinvent the wheel" by arriving at the theory purely by talent and feel for what sounds good ("right")
Joe Diaz
43:06
Glad you're all so efficient with /resolving/ any questions that come up
Liz Surette
44:25
another thought is Joe Satriani says "you have to learn the rules before you can know how to break them" or something along those lines
Viktor Simjanoski
45:07
thanks Colin and Joe
Ben Bembenek
45:10
exactly
Joana M. F. da Trindade
45:59
an extreme version of breaking music theory rules: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outsider_music
Joe Diaz
47:29
Sure thing. I think parallels can be made to those who study "classically" vs. "jazz." There are big no-no rules in each that apply depending on the way one learns. How one approaches those boundaries (and surpasses, subverts, or breaks them) depends on the artist
Joe Diaz
47:33
Thanks Joana!
Joe Diaz
48:08
Or doesn't learn "the rules" at all
Joana M. F. da Trindade
49:42
locrian ftw
Michael Helms
49:44
Wow, glad I'm a percounesst! only know 5 chords! lol. But this is K00L!
sym (they/them)
50:22
i love phrygian dominant
Joe Diaz
51:02
X Japan!
Timothy Aarons
52:56
Sounds good
sym (they/them)
52:58
definitely noticing all the V-I
Joana M. F. da Trindade
53:02
reminds me a bit of Rhapsody
Joana M. F. da Trindade
53:08
but slower
Jack Eaton
53:11
Should be illegal to not like Dio
Tanya Dmuchowski
53:20
YAAAAASSSS
Christina Schwarz
53:22
🤘🤘
Tanya Dmuchowski
53:31
Steenah!
Dhruv Naithani
54:11
instant goosebumps
Joana M. F. da Trindade
54:14
\m/
Jack Eaton
54:31
Geezer Butler is god
Tanya Dmuchowski
54:48
Dio 🖤
Will MacLennan
55:28
D minor is the saddest of all keys.
Dariel Cobb
55:48
beautiful
Joana M. F. da Trindade
55:55
shameless plug for doom metal band from a couple of Brazilian friends of mine: “A Sorrowful Dream”
Katie Means
56:18
Ooh you should add it to the padlet
Joe Diaz
56:19
Joana, drop it in the padlet too :) https://padlet.com/joediaz/mitmetal101
Katie Means
56:28
Lol
Joe Diaz
56:34
Katie's on it
Akshay Kothakonda
56:38
Joana that's the most doom metal band name if I've ever heard one
Joana M. F. da Trindade
57:21
lol
Daniel Yates
57:48
goosebumps
Joe Diaz
57:58
Traveling through time in my mind
Akshay Kothakonda
58:04
or intro to a batushka song
Will MacLennan
58:08
Dawn of the first day...
Luke Rymarz
58:46
Tool and Legend of Zelda in one slide. So awesome.
Katie Means
59:02
And Alice in Chains! My trifecta
Dhruv Naithani
59:10
\m/
Joe Diaz
59:17
A triforce of sorts?
Jack Eaton
59:21
Every Tool song sounds the same to me lol
Tanya Dmuchowski
59:28
such great music
Katie Means
59:43
Exactly! I love tool but all the songs DO sound thesame
Aristeidis Karalis
59:59
They just have a digital "tool" that generates songs :-P
Andrew Hovey
01:00:08
imagine walking into church and they’re playing tool
David Brumley
01:00:20
Thanks for the AIC
Dariel Cobb
01:00:28
love AIC
Joe Diaz
01:00:28
Tool -> Algorithm?
sym (they/them)
01:00:43
was that the same chord progression as the puddle of mudd song?
Jack Eaton
01:00:49
Motley Crue is AMAZING don't lie to yourselves
Ana Maria Velasquez Giraldo
01:00:50
I am brave :-)
Joe Diaz
01:01:05
Sym, from Alice in Chains?
Andrew Hovey
01:03:13
Shoot to Thrill was the anthem of my early 20’s
sym (they/them)
01:03:23
my favorite song i ever wrote was in mixolydian, but didn’t sound like this at all, it was actually a really sad song
Andrew Hovey
01:03:25
🤘
Jack Eaton
01:03:43
So do I blame mixolydian for Sweating Bullets or no
sym (they/them)
01:04:32
ah the Plini mode
Dariel Cobb
01:04:42
should we listening for the progression in the guitar or the vocals?
Liz Surette
01:05:34
that song torments me
Ravi G
01:05:34
when are you going to make a Zelda metal cover album?
Timothy Aarons
01:05:48
More Zelda music please, haha
Timothy Aarons
01:05:52
SO fun
Jack Eaton
01:06:03
LTE just announced a 3rd album
Aristeidis Karalis
01:07:29
@Dariel To get the complete feel, it should be all instruments (some times some melodic lines of course may deviate). It's often super complicated, as it's not just a line of notes, rather even the notes within the chords must ALL belong to that scale.
Tanya Dmuchowski
01:07:41
love Dream Theater!
Joana M. F. da Trindade
01:07:54
+1 Tanya
Tanya Dmuchowski
01:08:09
Freewill by Rush! that’s another good Lydian riff!
Daniel Yates
01:08:17
lydian b7 also used in The Simpsons theme lol
Tanya Dmuchowski
01:08:18
😁❤️
Jack Eaton
01:08:20
Rush <3
Eric W
01:09:03
did that remind anyone else of Satriani?
Corey Meyer
01:09:31
definitely satriani
Chris Shive
01:09:37
Vomitron has some good metal Zelda covers on the No NES For The Wicked album
Jack Eaton
01:09:39
Of course Dream Theater uses the most absurd mode they can
Thomas Scholberg
01:11:51
Leave it to DT to name the song and write the lyrics based on the mode as well xD
sym (they/them)
01:12:30
Tool - Forty Six & 2 is a great phrygian dominant song
Daniel Yates
01:13:25
Its think that music is scarier than the shadow temple honestly
Joana M. F. da Trindade
01:13:58
I suspect some of Lacuna Coil’s albums make use of this dominant phrygian mode, or at least some of the tracks definitely sound “middle eastern”
Michael Helms
01:14:21
Replace Redsox Jersey with a St. Louis jersey. lol!
Jack Eaton
01:14:45
Michael Romeo is soooo good
Will MacLennan
01:14:49
Behemoth?
Jack Eaton
01:15:18
Anyone listen to Igorrr? I feel like a lot of the tracks on their new album have this vibe
Daniel Yates
01:15:30
love Igorrr
Akshay Kothakonda
01:15:33
+1 Jack
Will MacLennan
01:16:18
Dormivore is still the coolest band name I’ve ever heard.
Jack Eaton
01:17:06
That bass tone is c h o n k y
Aristeidis Karalis
01:18:06
Does an Octatonic scale generally lack melody, since one loses the sense of tonality? (In the sense that there are 4 equivalent ones.)
Daniel Yates
01:18:15
Feel like Ive heard BTBAM use that scale as well
Jack Eaton
01:19:01
I just assume BTBAM has used everything
Daniel Yates
01:19:10
lol tru
Will MacLennan
01:21:21
what about pentatonic and blues scales?
Timothy Aarons
01:21:27
NO Yngwie examples? haha
Tanya Dmuchowski
01:21:47
These are some crazy ass scales! love it!
Joana M. F. da Trindade
01:21:54
freakin amazin
Joe Diaz
01:23:03
Digging this
Aristeidis Karalis
01:23:07
@Will: the blues/pentatonic is just the aeolian(minor) without the 2nd and 6th notes. So 5 notes, instead of the 7 typical of a scale.
Aristeidis Karalis
01:26:38
Sounds sort of like a Slayer guitar solo.
Will MacLennan
01:27:39
I would pay money to hear smooth jazz renditions of Cannibal Corpse songs.
Jack Eaton
01:27:51
Abnormality just broke up :'(
Joe Diaz
01:28:04
PMJ for OSDM
Joana M. F. da Trindade
01:29:35
Will: not quite jazz rendition, but close enough? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9cLkoUHcrs
Will MacLennan
01:30:03
Schweet.
Tanya Dmuchowski
01:30:13
Meshuggah is so tasty
Aristeidis Karalis
01:30:34
Indeed. Also helps to keep the mice away.
Timothy Aarons
01:31:24
Pretty cool
Jack Eaton
01:34:19
Alex Webster from CC actually is a big theory guy haha
Corey Meyer
01:35:24
good choice
Jack Eaton
01:35:59
yeah they broke up
Akshay Kothakonda
01:35:59
lol last time I heard this song was at Sinclair last year when they played with Thy art is murder
Jack Eaton
01:36:34
^hey I was at the RI date
Akshay Kothakonda
01:37:09
nice
Timothy Aarons
01:37:09
That was delightful
Jack Eaton
01:37:26
All 3 of these songs are amazing
Daniel Yates
01:38:41
also something BTBAM used a ton son Colors
Daniel Yates
01:38:49
*ton on
Akshay Kothakonda
01:38:49
now I gotta listen to the whole album after this class
Katie Means
01:39:01
Omg I love love love Colors
sym (they/them)
01:39:20
+1 for Colors, one of my all-time favorite albums
Daniel Yates
01:39:25
first prog album I ever heard :)
Joe Diaz
01:40:58
"Prog MCP"
Tanya Dmuchowski
01:41:20
this was amazing! thanks, Colin!
Joe Diaz
01:41:27
Dude, you need to submit an academic paper...
Joana M. F. da Trindade
01:41:37
agreed!
Daniel Yates
01:41:44
agreed
Katie Means
01:41:46
For real, this is like a PhD thesis
sym (they/them)
01:41:46
missed my chance to screenshot the previous one, does anyone have it?
sym (they/them)
01:41:47
sorry
Joe Diaz
01:41:56
Sym, I can send out too
Jack Eaton
01:42:47
Digital Veil is so damn good
Brian Clare
01:44:48
Q: have you thought to apply this to bands that shift from one genre of metal to another? I suspect there would be overlap between the common modalities of their before/after genres, if that makes sense
Viktor Simjanoski
01:44:59
love the food analogies Colin :)
Will MacLennan
01:45:52
How Ozzy ever outlived Dio is a mystery.
Dariel Cobb
01:46:37
it’s dark and German
Timothy Aarons
01:47:03
Borodin Symphony #2 Rules for metal classical
Will MacLennan
01:47:40
I can hear Dimmu Borgir doing this
Daniel Yates
01:50:19
could hear this in Bloodborne
Joe Diaz
01:50:20
Love that layering
Will MacLennan
01:53:42
Thank you Colin. Awesome stuff my dude.
Timothy Aarons
01:54:52
That was great!
sym (they/them)
01:54:55
i love theory much more than playing music tbh, and i could also talk about it for hours
Akshay Kothakonda
01:54:59
Thank you Colin and Joe!
Joe Diaz
01:55:01
Email: jaroflies94@gmail.com
Dariel Cobb
01:55:05
Thank you so much!
Tanya Dmuchowski
01:55:09
amazing lesson, Colin! loved it!
Joe Diaz
01:55:22
https://dormivore.bandcamp.com/releases
Joe Diaz
01:55:27
http://noctobre.bandcamp.com/
Akshay Kothakonda
01:55:44
Didn't know Dave Mustaine played in Dormivore
erica zilleruelo
01:55:46
always incredible to listen to you present! thanks for sharing your passion!!
Aristeidis Karalis
01:55:51
Can you play for us your favorite Dormivore song?
sym (they/them)
01:55:54
i bought the Noctobre album when it came out!
Jack Eaton
01:56:21
Hey I'm looking to play that kinda stuff on bass maybe :)
Thomas White
01:56:41
Thank You Colin and Joe
Ben Bembenek
01:56:49
Great presentation, thank you!
Eric W
01:56:57
thanks Colin that was awesome!
sym (they/them)
01:56:59
👏👏
Liz Surette
01:57:12
Great presentation. Thanks, Colin!
Cody Winkleblack
01:57:21
Thank you Joe and Colin, rad presentation!
Wilson Lievano
01:57:27
Thanks Colin! Super interesting!
Carolina Mejía
01:57:30
Yeah Colin, it was awesome! Thanks
Jack Eaton
01:57:46
TBoN are the best
Carolina Mejía
01:57:51
And thanks to Joe too, of course :)
Daniel Yates
01:58:22
lol fissicks
Jack Eaton
01:58:30
DR GORE
Joe Diaz
01:59:23
https://padlet.com/joediaz/mitmetal101
sym (they/them)
02:00:14
have a good weekend!
Viktor Simjanoski
02:01:24
Colin's food analogies reminded me of this: https://kumascorner.com/
Viktor Simjanoski
02:01:48
if you're ever in Chicago, I highly recommend this place. Metal-themed burger place.
Viktor Simjanoski
02:02:36
they play good music, they have weird low-budget movies on their TVs, and the food is amazing
Joe Diaz
02:02:51
Or if anyone here knows any, chime in!
Joe Diaz
02:02:59
+1 Viktor
Thomas Scholberg
02:03:13
Downgrade Desert by Igorrr for Middle Eastern/phyrgian sound
Thomas Scholberg
02:03:18
look up TONTAKRUL
Thomas Scholberg
02:03:31
for Nothern Thailand fusion mussic
Viktor Simjanoski
02:04:08
a bit off topic perhaps: https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/threatin-metal-tour-fake-ticket-sales-hoax-767580/Did anyone hear about this guy? :)
Joe Diaz
02:04:36
Lol, I forgot all about this
Thomas Scholberg
02:04:37
Tigran Hamasyan double faced for Armenian djent piano
Joe Diaz
02:04:46
Thanks Thomas!
Aristeidis Karalis
02:04:52
Thanks Colin, great class.
David King
02:05:31
Thanks Thomas!
Joe Diaz
02:05:33
Thank you Corey!
erica zilleruelo
02:08:26
thanks guys!
Jack Eaton
02:08:32
Thank you!
Jess Yang
02:08:41
Thank you!