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MIT Heavy Metal 101: Vocals With Paul Buckley - Shared screen with speaker view
Filipa Duarte
12:41
Hi everyone 🙌
Hell Hammer
13:24
from New Providence, NJ
CHRISTOPHER F
13:47
Howard from Killswitch Engage. love that powerful belting
Paul Buckley
13:55
My Favorite is James Martin from Aegeaon
Frank Liu
14:42
We posting favourite vocalist?
Hell Hammer
15:35
Paul Baloff - Exodus (crazy, unleashed vocals)
CHRISTOPHER F
15:41
What's a good Opeth album to start with, btw?
Frank Liu
15:48
Tomi from amorphis :,)
Hell Hammer
15:56
Opeth - Blackwater Park
Brendan Burdick
15:59
Blackwater Park
Daniel Morgan
16:05
Hell yeah, love Tomi
CHRISTOPHER F
16:10
Thanks!
Andrew Kaligandis
16:13
Dickie Allen for the win
Ryan Deame
16:16
The dogs from Caninus.
Paul Buckley
16:30
YES
Brendan Burdick
17:23
awsc for the win
CHRISTOPHER F
19:34
spooky
Ryan Deame
20:26
It's the ghost of Dio.
Joe Diaz
21:53
We need to get a jacket system
Andrew Kaligandis
24:56
What is a whistle scream
CHRISTOPHER F
25:56
like a cradle of filth-style banshee thing?
Symmetry (they/them)
26:07
is that similar to pitched screaming, or different?
CHRISTOPHER F
26:25
ah ok
Brendan Burdick
27:07
what's an example of a band that's used that?
CHRISTOPHER F
29:01
it still rings true
CHRISTOPHER F
30:36
if you haven't seen the scandi throat-singing in the battle prep scene of Dune, it's great for that 'ominous vocal musicality to pump up a battalion
Brendan Burdick
31:12
boris the spider by the who
Brendan Burdick
31:33
its possibly the first song to ever use "growl" vocals
Brendan Burdick
31:51
lmao
CHRISTOPHER F
33:27
i'm sure we'll get to it, but i want to mark this as a question i've always wondered: are you born with the anatomy to perform large-format singing (like you see in metal), or can it be trained in anyone? (like weight-lifting, for example)
Daniel Morgan
34:15
I've wondered that too. I'm classically very soft-spoken and I feel like I might just not have the chops
Andrew Kaligandis
37:55
is it normal to use falsetto in a singing environment?
Symmetry (they/them)
39:27
there are certain sounds that exist in hebrew but not english, and a lot of my non-jewish friends can’t pronounce them
Meaghan T'ao
40:03
🅱️aul 🅱️uckley
Joe Diaz
40:37
+1 Meaghan
Brendan Burdick
40:46
lol
Symmetry (they/them)
41:36
what did you say was the term for singing below your natural range? sorry i missed it
Symmetry (they/them)
42:04
is there a technique for clean singing below your natural range?
Meaghan T'ao
42:15
^ large mood
Symmetry (they/them)
42:17
sorry i know your area of expertise is harsh vocals
CHRISTOPHER F
44:00
(drink throat coat!)
Sean Manton
44:22
I took harsh vocal lessons for a couple months with Mara Lisenko who has several YouTube tutorials available and felt she definitely knew what she was talking about
CHRISTOPHER F
44:59
good to know! i just remember corey from slipknot talking about how much it saved him on tours
Symmetry (they/them)
45:03
some vocalists just yell into the mic instead of doing actual harsh vocals with the proper technique, doesn’t that harm the voice?
Brendan Burdick
45:04
before every show, paul was always drinking water
Brendan Burdick
45:08
hydrate people
CHRISTOPHER F
45:22
hhahahaha
CHRISTOPHER F
45:36
fascinating!
Brendan Burdick
46:20
matt heafy from trivium is a good example of how to blow out your voice
Symmetry (they/them)
47:14
but after healing his voice, Matt Heafy sounds so good (in my opinion anyway)
CHRISTOPHER F
47:18
this is really fascinating, Paul. Esp since there are few/no other famous musicians who can't play their instrument
Symmetry (they/them)
47:32
Trivium’s newest album was one of my favorites of 2021
Joe Diaz
47:38
+1 Sym
Brendan Burdick
47:39
in studio sure but his scream technique is totally different
Brendan Burdick
47:45
I say that as a fan
Sean Manton
48:01
A lot of vocalists who know safe harsh vocals technique will still do unsafe things for studio recordings to add some extra edge, but stick to the safe techniques when on tour and having to perform constantly
Brendan Burdick
48:33
+1
CHRISTOPHER F
49:22
proc-djent
Sean Manton
49:33
Dadabots does AI metal with vocals
Ryan Deame
49:42
djentrification
Brendan Burdick
49:44
that's awesome
Joe Diaz
49:53
AI Metal with dadabots available in last year's recordings :)
Symmetry (they/them)
50:07
Joe you beat me to it
Joe Diaz
50:12
Also, I learned I would like Koala Metal now (look up their growls)
Symmetry (they/them)
50:14
i was just typing about how awesome their lecture was
Joe Diaz
50:18
Sym, :D
Brendan Burdick
50:24
omg
Sean Manton
50:36
There is one death metal band whose vocalist was a parrot
Sean Manton
50:48
Hatebeak
Brendan Burdick
51:32
he actually explains that on their new documentary
Joe Diaz
51:33
Yes Sean!
Joe Diaz
51:54
Psychoacoustics/linguistics for the win
Sean Manton
52:29
oh fuck, I didn't realize hatebeak had vinyl, gonna have to buy that asap
Symmetry (they/them)
53:05
i gotta check out this cat metal band
Symmetry (they/them)
53:09
i’m a huge cat lover
CHRISTOPHER F
54:24
so you can't stick your tongue out? i had a friend whose tongue didn't extend out of his mouth
Frank Liu
55:03
Yeah same about the tongue tie. Still physically roll the tongue trills
Symmetry (they/them)
55:04
omg these Litterbox Massacre song titles are brilliant
Frank Liu
55:11
can’t physically*
Andrew Kaligandis
55:27
Self defense mic cup
Sean Manton
55:52
just found a band called Cattera while googling that uses actual cat vocals
Frank Liu
56:26
👀
Symmetry (they/them)
58:31
Cattera^
Symmetry (they/them)
58:35
thanks Sean!
Daniel Morgan
59:42
Safe for your voice or safe for driving lol?
Ryan Deame
01:00:26
Will using harsh vocals make a metal band more popular than if they sing clean vocals in this day and age?
CHRISTOPHER F
01:00:30
i think they were unmuted on accident
Ryan Deame
01:02:33
Also, has anyone ever heard of belch singing? Does anyone do that?
Ryan Deame
01:03:43
I'll look.
Symmetry (they/them)
01:03:46
my mom used to impress people in elementary school by being able to burp the a, b, c song
Joe Diaz
01:04:41
Great questions everyone. Keep them coming!
Symmetry (they/them)
01:04:47
i would say it varies by subgenre too
Cogswell Ari
01:05:14
*cough* Opeth
Brendan Burdick
01:05:25
Whitechapel comes to mind too
Brendan Burdick
01:05:42
newest album is 50/50 clean singing
Symmetry (they/them)
01:05:55
there are some metal bands that use entirely clean vocals and NO harsh vocals, but still have the other musical elements of metal we learned about (overdriven guitars, aggressive drumming, etc.)
Sean Manton (they/them)
01:06:09
apparently the Opeth vocalist only ever started doing harsh vocals because he was too self conscious about his clean vocals not being good enough, and as soon as he felt confident in his cleans, he stopped using the harsh
Brendan Burdick
01:06:16
it's tasteful but a hard turn
Sean Manton (they/them)
01:06:26
which is just kinda funny because his clean sections in the old stuff sounded fine to me
Sean Manton (they/them)
01:06:38
he said it in an interview that I watched
Ryan Deame
01:06:44
If anyone likes Opeth, check out Wilderun
Sean Manton (they/them)
01:06:55
I love Wilderun! And they're local
Brendan Burdick
01:07:03
wildrun are great
Cogswell Ari
01:07:13
I'll check them out!
Brendan Burdick
01:07:17
missed the "e"
Symmetry (they/them)
01:08:17
is Paul talking about a specific person, or a hypothetical example?
Brendan Burdick
01:08:29
specific
Meaghan T'ao
01:08:31
yaaas the vagueposting
Symmetry (they/them)
01:08:47
are we supposed to know who this person is?
Joe Diaz
01:09:15
We can revisit the individual(s) afterwards if folks would like
CHRISTOPHER F
01:09:29
he's talking about joe
Joe Diaz
01:09:37
Chris, how dare you
Symmetry (they/them)
01:09:44
i don’t need to know who they are, i just wasn’t sure if i was missing something that everyone else picked up on, sorry!
Symmetry (they/them)
01:10:15
i get confused when things are hinted at (as opposed to explained explicitly)
CHRISTOPHER F
01:10:42
yeah this is true in many/all communities. most veterans aren't loud, and so the loud ones are often wrong but go unchallenged
Hell Hammer
01:11:07
Cookie Monster got lots of shit from Oscar too
Brendan Burdick
01:11:19
lmao
Joe Diaz
01:12:17
No karaoke in the pit
Brendan Burdick
01:12:27
PLUS ONE
CHRISTOPHER F
01:12:29
i am grateful for the warm-up techniques taught in choir
Brendan Burdick
01:12:38
NO NINJAS ALLOWED
Brendan Burdick
01:13:40
what's song that challenged you?
Brendan Burdick
01:14:16
hahaha
Brendan Burdick
01:14:22
gotchu
Joe Diaz
01:14:24
(snaps)
Brendan Burdick
01:14:49
I had to paul, sorry
Symmetry (they/them)
01:17:11
so when you see a vocalist tilting their head and/or leaning their upper body while singing, it’s actually intentional, and not just because they’re just getting really into the music?
CHRISTOPHER F
01:18:03
a fun one i remember learning was that crotch-grabbing is more just a useful way to brace your chest cavity
Brendan Burdick
01:18:31
bruce Dickenson comes to mind
Ryan Deame
01:18:35
Is there any preferred physical posturing for producing a dying animal vocalization?
Sean Manton (they/them)
01:18:57
curled in a ball on the ground :P
Brendan Burdick
01:19:04
yes
Ryan Deame
01:19:27
Goat
CHRISTOPHER F
01:19:51
+100pts to Paul for entertaining and answering that
Symmetry (they/them)
01:19:57
have you heard a goat die?
Ari
01:19:59
exquisite
Symmetry (they/them)
01:20:01
like how do you know this?
Andrew Kaligandis
01:20:06
We need a demonstration of the goat
Brendan Burdick
01:20:18
paul is the goat
Symmetry (they/them)
01:21:15
@Brendan hopefully not a dying one, i like having Paul alive!
Brendan Burdick
01:21:39
+1
Daniel Morgan
01:22:53
Can you explain the difference between expression vs effort?
Brendan Burdick
01:23:38
great question
Daniel Morgan
01:24:52
Yes, very helpful
Brendan Burdick
01:28:02
what about a Deathcathlon
Joe Diaz
01:31:22
Thanks!
Joe Diaz
01:31:31
+1 Brendan, good band name again
Symmetry (they/them)
01:32:06
i feel like a lot of the bands i listen to (at least half?) have both clean and harsh vocals performed by the same person, but it seems like Paul is saying it’s way more common to only do one or the other? or am i misunderstanding him
CHRISTOPHER F
01:32:39
ah shoot, i gotta dash early :'(Paul, you rule, thanks for all of his!
Sean Manton (they/them)
01:33:01
I love the contrast of cleans and harshes so I also listen to a lot of bands that use both, but I think most bands that have harsh vocals only have harsh vocals
Sean Manton (they/them)
01:33:23
And a good number that use a mix have different vocalists for the cleans vs harshes
Sean Manton (they/them)
01:33:28
But there are also many people who do both
Symmetry (they/them)
01:35:05
yeah a few bands i listen to have separate vocalists for clean and harsh
Sean Manton (they/them)
01:36:53
On a similar note... curious when there is a vocalist who does both clean and harsh, how common is it to use separate mics for them? When I saw Zeal and Ardor live, the main vocalist had two mics on the mic stand and switched between them depending on whether screaming or not. I assume because they were going through different fx chains, but also potentially they were different mic models?
Symmetry (they/them)
01:37:59
i’ve seen seen Periphery and BTBAM live a handful of times each, and afaik they only use one mic for both clean and harsh
Brendan Burdick
01:38:07
I think its one for clean and one for effects
Daniel Morgan
01:38:30
I've always heard that alcohol was the worst for your voice. The vocalist in my band frequently drinks a beer or two when we practice. He sounds great and he's been in bands for years. He's got a very articulated black metal mid
Brendan Burdick
01:38:53
paul never drank before a show
Symmetry (they/them)
01:39:12
wait then why do i see bands drinking beer onstage?
Brendan Burdick
01:39:25
image
Brendan Burdick
01:39:34
its all about image
Sean Manton (they/them)
01:39:40
a lot of vocalists aren't actually that concerned about keeping their voice healthy
Sean Manton (they/them)
01:39:45
plenty of vocalists who smoke too
Symmetry (they/them)
01:39:57
now that i think about it, i’ve more often seen the guitarists and bassists drink beer onstage than the vocalists
Brendan Burdick
01:40:12
maybe my bass playing sucked that show but damn, did I get some good pics taken of me surrounded by gansett cans lol
Symmetry (they/them)
01:40:47
is that why my clean singing range got higher when i quit smoking?
Sean Manton (they/them)
01:41:31
Zero effect, or zero noticeable effect (as in they weren't actually attempting long enough holds to notice reduced lung capacity, etc.?)
Brendan Burdick
01:41:47
that placed closed!
Brendan Burdick
01:42:03
Now That's Class, RIP
Sean Manton (they/them)
01:43:37
There's a lot of rock vocalists that smoke. There's very few classical/opera vocalists who do
Brendan Burdick
01:45:33
that was Lemmy
Brendan Burdick
01:45:38
cigs and whiskey
Ryan Deame
01:45:43
Do you think that the Beast of Nod will be a legit headliner in the not too distant future?
Joe Diaz
01:46:04
Genetics
Joe Diaz
01:47:53
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Symmetry (they/them)
01:49:18
thank you Joe and Uncle Buck!!!!
Filipa Duarte
01:49:37
Thank you Joe and Paul! Awesome lesson!!
Frank Liu
01:51:38
Thanks all! Another great lecture :) see you next time!
Symmetry (they/them)
01:53:04
please come to boston at some point?
Symmetry (they/them)
01:59:14
great seeing you again, Paul! thanks again to you and Joe! hope everyone has a good night :)
Sean Manton (they/them)
01:59:29
\m/
Sean Manton (they/them)
01:59:31
good night all!